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February 18th, 2014 at 4:44:25 PM permalink
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I have a question not directed at you personally but dealers in general and I'd like your input. A dealer has a job, which some feel lucky to have, has his schedule, gets dressed and ready for work, gets to work and begins dealing. After all that planning and hassle, said dealer then signs the early out list and can't wait to rush out the door. This is a constant at every casino I've ever been to. These are the same dealers who say they are underpaid and must rely on tips. What gives?



Good question -- and I agree with you. Although I am a dealer myself and cannot wait to get that beloved EO (or the question, "What time you wanna go home tonight, RS?")....I'm not hassling players for tips, and to be honest, I don't expect anyone to tip. I know that I will generally see about 0.5% of the tips. If anything, I see tips as a "thank you", like a thank-you card -- it doesn't mean anything to me, other than the patron appreciates my work, and also lets me know the player isn't an asshole (not saying that the players who don't tip are assholes, but that the players who do tip aren't assholes....a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn't necessarily a square kinda thing).
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February 18th, 2014 at 4:50:35 PM permalink
Quote: 1BB

I have a question not directed at you personally but dealers in general and I'd like your input. A dealer has a job, which some feel lucky to have, has his schedule, gets dressed and ready for work, gets to work and begins dealing. After all that planning and hassle, said dealer then signs the early out list and can't wait to rush out the door. This is a constant at every casino I've ever been to. These are the same dealers who say they are underpaid and must rely on tips. What gives?



I can't speak for the casino industry in particular, but in my years in management in the service industry, both tipped and hourly, I find this to be true too often. Especially of the younger adults. Of course there are exceptions but I've seen many who complain that they aren't scheduled enough hours be the first to volunteer to leave early when the opportunity permits. Of course it's noticed and the better hours and shifts go to those who want to work (all other service related skills being equal).
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February 18th, 2014 at 5:40:51 PM permalink
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Does anyone here drive drunk or legally impaired? Would anyone admit that they do? I mean now, not years ago. If so I would like to hear your reasons.



STUPIDITY. Drove over hundred mile an hour in blinding rain. Could only see 2 white stripes ahead. Over 100+ all I know, speedo pegged, watching heat gauge.

Drunk at 15 miles per hour, leaned against car door and fell out. Luckily was stick and stopped 100 feet down the road.

STUPID >>>>>>
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February 18th, 2014 at 5:43:34 PM permalink
Quote: MidwestAP

I can't speak for the casino industry in particular, but in my years in management in the service industry, both tipped and hourly, I find this to be true too often. Especially of the younger adults. Of course there are exceptions but I've seen many who complain that they aren't scheduled enough hours be the first to volunteer to leave early when the opportunity permits. Of course it's noticed and the better hours and shifts go to those who want to work (all other service related skills being equal).



Been there done that. Left early cause it's slow and no customers= no tips. Plus knew others needed the money more. Usually got a thanks from bosses who knew what they were doing !
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February 18th, 2014 at 5:55:56 PM permalink
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If anything, I see tips as a "thank you", like a thank-you card -- it doesn't mean anything to me, other than the patron appreciates my work, and also lets me know the player isn't an asshole (not saying that the players who don't tip are assholes, but that the players who do tip aren't assholes....a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn't necessarily a square kinda thing).





This pretty much is in line with what EvenBob says about dealers - that they cannot stand the players whether they tip or not.
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February 18th, 2014 at 6:10:48 PM permalink
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They recently made it stricter. I think it is .08, but you can't measure it without their apparatus, so who cares about the number?
An Asian person is easily drunk after one half-glass of beer, while our Belgian standards of beer make yours similar to making love in a canoe.
:-)
So, one person on .04 may be a danger to everyone, while another on .10 may drive safely, isn't it?

Yet, they have to put a legal limit. That's OK. I just know that I'm trespassing.



LOL, your Belgian beers are sour and yeasty. Some of the best beers on the planet are brewed in the US.
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February 18th, 2014 at 7:39:51 PM permalink
So since dealers want to leave their jobs early we should not tip them to encourage this activity?
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February 18th, 2014 at 8:54:29 PM permalink
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yep and thats the only time that I ever saw it that high. IIRC they had 6 tables opened. 4 5s, 1 10, and 1 15 and they were all full.

Which casino has 6 tables of MS?
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February 19th, 2014 at 3:31:16 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

Quote: kubikulann

An Asian person is easily drunk after one half-glass of beer, while our Belgian standards of beer make yours similar to making love in a canoe.
:-)
So, one person on .04 may be a danger to everyone, while another on .10 may drive safely, isn't it?

Yet, they have to put a legal limit. That's OK. I just know that I'm trespassing.



LOL, your Belgian beers are sour and yeasty. Some of the best beers on the planet are brewed in the US.

1) Taste is individual. "Best" is undefined.
2) You manifestly have tried only a small subset of Belgian beers.
3) I was speaking of alcohol level, and mainly the pils/lager sort.
4) I quoted the Monty Python to make it not my individual advice, but somehow a general admission that, to UK or BE (or Dutch or German) palates, American lagers are too low on alcohol.
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February 19th, 2014 at 3:34:53 AM permalink
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Which casino has 6 tables of MS?




The Meadows used to. Now they only have 4 iirc.

2 of them used to be labeled as 4 card poker but the felt was MS stud.
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March 6th, 2014 at 9:54:01 AM permalink
Quote: MidwestAP

I can't speak for the casino industry in particular, but in my years in management in the service industry, both tipped and hourly, I find this to be true too often. Especially of the younger adults. Of course there are exceptions but I've seen many who complain that they aren't scheduled enough hours be the first to volunteer to leave early when the opportunity permits. Of course it's noticed and the better hours and shifts go to those who want to work (all other service related skills being equal).



People in my casino like that, at least on my shift, are the exception. We have to maintain an average of 35 hours worked per week in order to maintain full-time status (vacation days, call-offs, bereavement, etc. don't count against that, but voluntary EO does.) We have a few people who EO constantly and have no idea how they remain full-time. They tend to be younger and often without responsibility, but the ones who EO when they're on a game they don;t like, for example, tend to be the experienced dealers who go out for floor because they hate dealing a specific game, i.e. craps. (It sounds like a good "get-out-of-blackjack-free" for me, but I would have to go to swing, which is a direct conflict with school for me. Otherwise I'd do it for more reasons than ducking blackjack.)

I try to work within a budget for EO, i.e. no more than once a week on average and only if I have a good reason. Being dead tired is a good reason.
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March 6th, 2014 at 9:57:40 AM permalink
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I have a question not directed at you personally but dealers in general and I'd like your input. A dealer has a job, which some feel lucky to have, has his schedule, gets dressed and ready for work, gets to work and begins dealing. After all that planning and hassle, said dealer then signs the early out list and can't wait to rush out the door. This is a constant at every casino I've ever been to. These are the same dealers who say they are underpaid and must rely on tips. What gives?



At least for my casino, EO is usually signed from home, starting two hours before my shift. So I start at 4 AM, which means EO opens up at 2 AM sharp. So when I go to work, I am well aware I am on the EO list and may get a chance to go home early. I go in rather than calling out for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that PTO is budgeted and the attendance policy is crappy. I don't really discuss my position on the EO list with anyone who isn't an employee; in fact, I try not to look sick or tired to the best of my ability.

As for the day in question...my mother-in-law was going into surgery, so EO was less a luxury and more a necessity.
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March 6th, 2014 at 11:56:25 AM permalink
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People in my casino like that, at least on my shift, are the exception. We have to maintain an average of 35 hours worked per week in order to maintain full-time status (vacation days, call-offs, bereavement, etc. don't count against that, but voluntary EO does.) We have a few people who EO constantly and have no idea how they remain full-time. They tend to be younger and often without responsibility, but the ones who EO when they're on a game they don;t like, for example, tend to be the experienced dealers who go out for floor because they hate dealing a specific game, i.e. craps. (It sounds like a good "get-out-of-blackjack-free" for me, but I would have to go to swing, which is a direct conflict with school for me. Otherwise I'd do it for more reasons than ducking blackjack.)

I try to work within a budget for EO, i.e. no more than once a week on average and only if I have a good reason. Being dead tired is a good reason.

Are you in law school, HWCC? Capital or OSU? I would stick to dealing...there's more of a future in it. :)
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March 6th, 2014 at 12:16:36 PM permalink
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Are you in law school, HWCC? Capital or OSU? I would stick to dealing...there's more of a future in it. :)



Capital, and my hope is to work in the legal department at a gaming company. I'm already looking into making a business trip out to Vegas when I can and casing the legal departments for the big gaming companies as well as some of the lesser-known ones and some of the law firms that specialize in gaming out there.

As for sticking with dealing...maybe. The hours kind of suck. Other than that, I would gladly try sticking with it as a stopgap career if necessary, especially if I can get onto one of the nicer Vegas properties.
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March 6th, 2014 at 12:57:08 PM permalink
I'm new at this gambling thing..... so my only real embarrassment so far was laying $9 in odds on my $5 DP bet after the shooter rolled boxcars.
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March 6th, 2014 at 1:39:21 PM permalink
Come to think of it, there was the time I set the hands wrong at EZ PGP and right in Paigow Dan's place of employemnt (at the time), though he wasn't dealing just then <whew!> Of course the Fiesta Henderson then demonstrated it's rabid anti-player stance by paying me even for the win and the correct amount for the bonus bet.

That was when I blushed.

Speaking of Dan, when I played a brief session of High Card Flush with him, I kept discarding the wrong (right) cards because I kept getting stuck in PGP mode.

So now you know. There's something about the proximity of this kind gentleman which makes me loose my focus at the tables ;)
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March 6th, 2014 at 7:46:53 PM permalink
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I'm new at this gambling thing..... so my only real embarrassment so far was laying $9 in odds on my $5 DP bet after the shooter rolled boxcars.

What would be a problem? When the 7 shows up, you win $6 on the odds bet.
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March 6th, 2014 at 8:29:22 PM permalink
I broke a rack of eight ball in a bar full of hot chicks once and farted. There was a .25 illegal VP machine in the corner. Does that count?
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March 6th, 2014 at 8:33:32 PM permalink
So I have a story. It involved me but even thoguh I was a little flustered, I wasn't the one embarrased.

It happened in 2005 while I was the casino manager onboard a cruise ship. We were sailing from San Juan, Puerto Rico to the Panama Canal. The first night we get slammed by Puerto Ricans looking to party and gamble. At one blackjack table there was an elderly lady, probably about 60 or so but in decent shape. She was pounding the Pina Coladas like they were sweet tea. I had noticed her but only at a glance as she was a $5 bettor and that didn't particularly interest me. Her husband was with her but as the night grew older he left and went to the room.
She kept staring at me with those "come to bed" eyes but I just smiled nd ignore her. Then my dealer at that game tried to get my attention. She called me over and said, "this lady wants to show you something". I just walked past and said I was busy. After a while this dealer is really trying to flag me down and I finally get to the table. The lady in question has her legs up on the table ready to have her gynecology exam.........I had to wave her away and ask her politely not to do that. She obliged and asked me something in Spanish. I replied, "no abla espanjol". She seemed to quiten down. The poor dealer tells me when she came off the table that the lady kept on wanting me to come over and look at her "hoo-ha" and that she had no panties on.......I gave the dealer the rest of the night off as I'm sure she was emotionally scarred for all eternity after that.
To make matters worse, when we closed at about 3AM, the lady was still sitting on her chair, by now almost comatose. I tried to help her off her chair and when I did so I noticed she had relieved herself (no.2) all over our chair and herself. We helped her into the elevator with brown marks all the way down the side of the hallway and elevator........
Needless to say when I called housekeeping they showed up in full bio hazard gear and they were NOT thrilled.

Man, I was just happy I missed the whole show because of being busy, otherwise the night could have turned out even more messy :)
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March 6th, 2014 at 8:45:10 PM permalink
So...how was she in bed?
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March 6th, 2014 at 8:48:35 PM permalink
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So...how was she in bed?



I plead the 5th :)
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March 6th, 2014 at 9:01:15 PM permalink
Based on your description I think you had to drink a fifth first.
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March 6th, 2014 at 9:05:04 PM permalink
My standards aren't that high
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March 6th, 2014 at 9:46:53 PM permalink
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I plead the 5th :)



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