Joeshlabotnik
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October 20th, 2016 at 9:53:23 PM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

Oh geejus, and whaddaya know, up pops Shlab with a typical "answer" pulled outta the Botnik shorts, surprise not. Spend a lot of time in a lotta Las Vegas books do ya there Joeshlab? More than perhaps, oh, say, the guy who asked the question? Sometime in this century? And guess ya know a whole lotta 'bout the workings of 'dem "arbitrage teams" while you're at it, eh?" I kinda doubt it.



Well, you is definitely wrong about that, hyuk, hyuk.

I worked such a team off and on for about five years from 2005-2009. That team still exists, I have several friends still on it, and several of them have been told in no uncertain terms to put away their phones while in the sports book. And I'm talking about this season. I would imagine that if you look like someone who couldn't pencil in a parlay card without injuring himself, they might leave you alone.
DrawingDead
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October 20th, 2016 at 11:06:26 PM permalink
Uh, no you didn't, and aren't, and it is hilariously obvious along with everything else you've been throwing against the wall, as it has been to everyone from day #1. But do continue carrying on for comic relief, please, for all those of us in the world who you 'know' are all so very inferior, Mr. Joe. Including some people looking at this right now who actually do run books, and folks here who are quite familiar with the actual NV Gaming reg which was once years ago the reason for the old cell phone restriction that was long since revoked by the Nevada Gaming Control Board, and the Gaming Enforcement memorandum to all licensed books that followed that change, also years ago.

But perhaps it is now carried on as a super-secret special Agent007 "Joe" rule that has remained unknown to everyone else with any real acquaintance with Las Vegas books throughout this decade, including management, line-staff employees, and both casual and not at all casual customers alike. At least the ones who are not so brilliantly sharp as to be constantly scattering everyone to escape the screeching noise from the loud constant bellowing about how much they 'know.' I guess only the super sophisticated pros would wanna be like that, as an ingenious double-reverse bank-shot disguise to go with the moustache & rubber nose & dark glasses and official team member t-shirt, and that just the platinum elite uber-sharp above-all-sharps would be cleverly making sure that they do not appear to be at all like the other thousands of people that have been routinely taking advantage of the convenient wireless communications that books have now for so long not only routinely permitted as a normal part of the business but added infrastructure to competitively facilitate.

Yup, you betcha, upon further review that's prolly it, and you're just far too advanced, Joe. So do continue with your mission, in all things on all topics here, as you were.
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AxelWolf
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October 20th, 2016 at 11:14:05 PM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

Oh geejus, and whaddaya know, up pops Shlab with a typical "answer" pulled outta the Botnik shorts, surprise not. Spend a lot of time in a lotta Las Vegas books do ya there Joeshlab? More than perhaps, oh, say, the guy who asked the question? Sometime in this century? And guess ya know a whole lotta 'bout the workings of 'dem "arbitrage teams" while you're at it, eh?" I kinda doubt it.

Cell phones have definitely NOT been anything like "forbidden" in sports books for the better part of a decade, and for years now most of the better books have even been providing free wifi to customers in the book, for crissakes. They simply ask you to please not be on the phone while coming up to the counter to wager. I don't even consider using a book anymore that doesn't provide me with a workstation equipped with, at a bare minimum: conveniently located power outlets that are adequate for my computer & tablet & cell simultaneously, and good quality reliable high-speed wifi internet access so I don't have to tether through my phone for the streaming data feeds that I constantly use all day long in the book. Most real books amounting to more than a satellite William Hill kiosk tucked in the corner of a little ghetto grind joint are set up to do that, and have been for a long time. Though there are still a few of them (like The Mirage) that haven't upgraded their infrastructure in the book for a long time, so I did once need the assistance of the (very eagerly helpful) book's manager to locate one of their available power connections under the old cabinetry, so I wouldn't be limited to battery power while spending twelve hours there, as I commonly do in race/sportsbooks. And at a few, like TI and Bally's, you may need to get a password from one of the supervisors for the wifi that's dedicated only for use of customers in the book, to prevent it from being used by general wandering Shlabs out in the slots & bars & whatnot who aren't doing anything in the book.

Ahiromu, if it is important enough to you to check lines in real time, one option is that you could open advance deposit wagering accounts covering most of the books and use their sports wagering apps to see their lines for most things, even if not to actually make your wager that way, so long as your cell phone is physically within Nevada at the time (residency not required - just physical location at the moment of use). Off the top of my head a partial list of those with apps now available putting their books online includes: The Boyd casinos, Cantor (the book operator for multiple major Las Vegas casinos incl. Venetian), the MGM-Mirage properties, Southpoint, Station Casinos, TI, Westgate (formerly LV Hilton), William Hill (book for many casino locations throughout Nevada), Wynn, and probably a couple of others that escape my recollection at the moment. The only book operator of any consequence that I can think of right now that hasn't come out with an online (in-state use only) sportsbook wagering app is Caesars Entertainment.

I like to use VegasInsider for some things, just because it's handy, but not for real-time or even hourly accuracy. For something like looking at the first line "hung" on baseball "overnights" they've usually provided what I need for tracking some data on some spreadsheets of mine. But my experience has been that the timeliness and degree of completeness of their updates is inconsistent, and not suitable for relying upon them for something highly time sensitive.

I will need cliff notes. Either way it seems to be telling Joesh he was full of it, so ya you're probably right.
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AxelWolf
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October 20th, 2016 at 11:18:35 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

Did this start in the past couple of weeks? I was just out there and used my cellphone standing in the middle of the sports book...

LOL.

Not only do they let you use a cell, you can crack out a laptop at the counter with a football program open, all while talking on your cell phone.
Last edited by: AxelWolf on Oct 20, 2016
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
DrawingDead
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October 21st, 2016 at 12:27:38 AM permalink
Here's your Cliffs, Axel:

1. Joe is special. Still, like always.

2. Everyone else, those crowds of people in the books constantly on their phones & tablets & internet connected computers using the free wifi in the book & the power outlets put in for them to do all that stuff that everybody sees them doing every day, is not so special as Joe and his special friends.
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October 21st, 2016 at 8:33:35 AM permalink
Vegasinsider is pretty spot on. Of course lines can move at any second. I've had different results from the site during these times:

1. Initial lines that come out Sunday for the next week, on Monday

2. Big news about a player being out or confirming they will play

3. Right before kickoff
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AxelWolf
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October 21st, 2016 at 10:07:03 AM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

Here's your Cliffs, Axel:

1. Joe is special.

Ya ddefinitely special.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Joeshlabotnik
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October 21st, 2016 at 10:10:12 AM permalink
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Yup, you betcha, upon further review that's prolly it, and you're just far too advanced, Joe. So do continue with your mission, in all things on all topics here, as you were.



Yep, I will, thanks. And that you feel I'm special (with which I concur, of course) makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
Joeshlabotnik
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October 21st, 2016 at 10:11:16 AM permalink
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Ya ddefinitely special.



Yes indeed, and don't think that I don't feel tremendous sympathy for all you unspecial people.
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October 22nd, 2016 at 9:55:02 AM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

I worked such a team off and on for about five years from 2005-2009. That team still exists, I have several friends still on it, and several of them have been told in no uncertain terms to put away their phones while in the sports book. And I'm talking about this season. I would imagine that if you look like someone who couldn't pencil in a parlay card without injuring himself, they might leave you alone.



I contend that this is completely wrong and/or completely made up. There are ways we could test your crackpot stories, would you care to make a sizeable wager on it?

Obviously if you're listening to music or watching porn someone would tell you to knock it off. If you're looking up information to help you earn a profit betting sports, no one will stop you.

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