Ibeatyouraces
Ibeatyouraces
Joined: Jan 12, 2010
  • Threads: 68
  • Posts: 11933
January 21st, 2011 at 11:21:49 AM permalink
deleted
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
dm
dm
Joined: Apr 29, 2010
  • Threads: 14
  • Posts: 699
January 21st, 2011 at 12:38:20 PM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

A slot free play coupon is worth (the face amount of the coupon) X (the expected return of the game you choose to play with it). So if you were in a major Strip casino and decided to use it to play nickel slots, it would be worth about 85% of its face value. If you used it to play the best video poker game available, it would be worth about 98-99% of its face value.

The way most of these free play coupons work is that you can cash out winnings, but not unplayed credits. So if you played $10 of free play on a quarter machine at one credit per spin, you would have to play 40 credits to "launder" the free play, at which point you could cash out all your accumulated credits. If you tried to cash out after playing only 20 credits, you would get your accumulated winnings, but 20 credits would still remain on the machine.

If you want to simply obtain as close as possible to the coupon's face value, find a Jacks or Better or Bonus Poker VP machine (make sure you are playing a game that pays 2-1 for two pair), and run the credits through once. I get back about 95% of the coupon's face value, on average, when I do that.




That's assuming you know the strategy, though. It's not like regular slots that are all luck.
wildqat
wildqat
Joined: Nov 11, 2009
  • Threads: 4
  • Posts: 157
January 21st, 2011 at 2:23:34 PM permalink
Quote: dm

That's assuming you know the strategy, though. It's not like regular slots that are all luck.


You are now a 9/6 JoB and 8/5 BP strategy knower. :^)



And VPGenius can generate strategy guides for lesser paytables if you want, but they're not always as accurate as the Wizard's.
mkl654321
mkl654321
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
  • Threads: 65
  • Posts: 3412
January 21st, 2011 at 5:15:43 PM permalink
Quote: dm

That's assuming you know the strategy, though. It's not like regular slots that are all luck.



Even if you played those games with total ignorance of the strategies, you'd still get about 96% return. Very few plays at JOB or Bonus are counterintuitive, and even when you go wrong, it doesn't cost very much. This isn't true of most other VP games, which is why I tell my slot-playing friends to launder their free play at VP, but ONLY at JOB/Bonus games, because their ignorance of the proper strategy won't hurt them much; they'll still be doing much better than on the best slot available. And of course, if they want to learn the strategies, they'll be playing in the 99% range.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
allnighter
allnighter
Joined: Jan 11, 2011
  • Threads: 4
  • Posts: 11
January 25th, 2011 at 10:12:01 PM permalink
One more question about this, does it matter the amount that i bet per hand? Should i bet max bet each hand or min bet each hand etc.? Thanks.
rxwine
rxwine
Joined: Feb 28, 2010
  • Threads: 166
  • Posts: 9816
January 25th, 2011 at 11:15:13 PM permalink
Size matters.

Especially if the casino doesn't know you. You might be a whale. Or at least, a large porpoise. They may send you an another offer based on an expectation that isn't realized when you return if you're not really a big spender.

of course, that's my personal experience.


Other than that, play whatever suits your gambling expectations -- if max play affords the best return, I prefer that, but some prefer to make the bonus last awhile with small bets.
Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?
mkl654321
mkl654321
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
  • Threads: 65
  • Posts: 3412
January 26th, 2011 at 12:19:22 AM permalink
Quote: allnighter

One more question about this, does it matter the amount that i bet per hand? Should i bet max bet each hand or min bet each hand etc.? Thanks.



If you max bet every hand, you maximize your return, but you also have a greater chance of finishing with a sizeable loss. If you bet one credit at a time, both your total wins and your total losses will be smaller. The difference in video poker is around 1.5%, as in your overall return will be about 1.5% less when playing one coin/credit as opposed to five/maximum.

So if you want to "go for it", and don't mind possibly losing most of the free play, bet the max every hand. If, on the other hand, you want to simply launder the free play, and turn it into actual money, it's probably best to play one coin at a time.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
Mosca
Mosca
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
  • Threads: 178
  • Posts: 3804
January 26th, 2011 at 5:40:06 AM permalink
Wife and I get lots of free play. She takes it to quarter machines, and blows it in 5 minutes, every now and then getting a nice hit of 100 credits or so. I take it to the $5 machines, blow it in 1 minute, and every now and then I get a nice hit of about 100 credits. But my credits are worth more, and the difference of 4 minutes is insignificant.
NO KILL I
teddys
teddys
Joined: Nov 14, 2009
  • Threads: 150
  • Posts: 5444
January 26th, 2011 at 5:45:15 AM permalink
I'm with Mosca. I play it on the best-returning game--screw the variance. I just can't bring myself to play anything less than the best game in the joint. (D*mn you, Wizard of Odds!). There are times when I walk away with 50% or less of my free play value. Have I told you about the time I hit a royal playing only one coin on freeplay? :) $125 v. $1000. Still makes me angry when I think about it. Never again.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
Mosca
Mosca
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
  • Threads: 178
  • Posts: 3804
January 26th, 2011 at 7:09:02 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

I'm with Mosca. I play it on the best-returning game--screw the variance. I just can't bring myself to play anything less than the best game in the joint. (D*mn you, Wizard!). There are times when I walk away with 50% or less of my free play value. Have I told you about the time I hit a royal playing only one coin on freeplay? :) $125 v. $1000. Still makes me angry when I think about it. Never again.



Twice I've turned $20-$30 in free slot play into $1000. Lots of times I haven't, but so what? $30 is not relevant to me in a casino, $1000 is.
NO KILL I

  • Jump to: