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100xOdds
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January 17th, 2023 at 4:37:44 PM permalink
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How did you arrive at 3500 combos as +EV?
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I calculate the average reel will be 4.93 long.

You might ask where I got that figure and why it isn't the average of 3 and 8. It's because the longer a reel is, the more likely it is to get more horseshoes and thus move up faster. In other words, the reel expansion accelerates as it goes.

Take that to the fifth power and you have 2,903 average combinations.

I figure the total RTP is 90%, of which 50% comes from line pays. We need to get that line pay RTP to 60% to break even. 2,903 * 1.2 = 3,483. I then rounded up to 3,500.

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Is the same method applicable to Buffalo Ascension?

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January 18th, 2023 at 1:10:55 AM permalink
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Quote: 100xOdds

How did you arrive at 3500 combos as +EV?
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I calculate the average reel will be 4.93 long.

You might ask where I got that figure and why it isn't the average of 3 and 8. It's because the longer a reel is, the more likely it is to get more horseshoes and thus move up faster. In other words, the reel expansion accelerates as it goes.

Take that to the fifth power and you have 2,903 average combinations.

I figure the total RTP is 90%, of which 50% comes from line pays. We need to get that line pay RTP to 60% to break even. 2,903 * 1.2 = 3,483. I then rounded up to 3,500.

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Is the same method applicable to Buffalo Ascension?


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Why is Mike assuming a 90% RTP?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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January 18th, 2023 at 1:34:16 AM permalink
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Quote: 100xOdds

How did you arrive at 3500 combos as +EV?
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I calculate the average reel will be 4.93 long.

You might ask where I got that figure and why it isn't the average of 3 and 8. It's because the longer a reel is, the more likely it is to get more horseshoes and thus move up faster. In other words, the reel expansion accelerates as it goes.

Take that to the fifth power and you have 2,903 average combinations.

I figure the total RTP is 90%, of which 50% comes from line pays. We need to get that line pay RTP to 60% to break even. 2,903 * 1.2 = 3,483. I then rounded up to 3,500.

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Is the same method applicable to Buffalo Ascension?


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Why is Mike assuming a 90% RTP?
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Have to assume some number
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January 18th, 2023 at 7:06:50 AM permalink
I'd assume a fairly significantly lower one; the assumed House Edge and half again, unless applicable jurisdictional minimums dictate otherwise.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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March 26th, 2024 at 3:13:01 PM permalink
They're swapping out the wheel of fortune 'High Roller" for this one.. Grand jackpot carried over from high roller...asians circling..
Who pocketed the $85??

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March 27th, 2024 at 8:05:43 AM permalink
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They're swapping out the wheel of fortune 'High Roller" for this one.. Grand jackpot carried over from high roller...asians circling..
Who pocketed the $85??


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i've seen it. when to play?
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March 27th, 2024 at 8:32:36 AM permalink
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They're swapping out the wheel of fortune 'High Roller" for this one.. Grand jackpot carried over from high roller...asians circling..
Who pocketed the $85??


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i've seen it. when to play?
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That's easy.

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March 27th, 2024 at 11:23:18 PM permalink
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They're swapping out the wheel of fortune 'High Roller" for this one.. Grand jackpot carried over from high roller...asians circling..
Who pocketed the $85??


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i've seen it. when to play?
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I didn't stick around to find out. Not sure if they swapped out the other 2 on the floor, either.

When they first installed High Roller at another casino I was able to quickly profited, whithin minutes, $1000 off a $20, starting from 80c denom on up. The arrows were shooting the reels up faster than I have ever seen before that I thought it was a programming error. I couldn't believe it. I wasn't leaving and thought I better take advantage of this while the getting is good by increasing to the next denom which was max bet. Boy was I wrong lol. The frequency of the arrows was tremendously slower on the $8 bet that I ended up losing the entire profit lol
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