Regal Riches +EV Identification

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January 31st, 2022 at 11:05:56 AM permalink

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Does anyone have an idea when Regal Riches would be +EV for AP play? It seems like a game that could be routinely left in a positive state but I don’t see anything on it from a reputable source.

Thanks in advance,

DealtRoyal
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if the rtp of the machine is high:
blue 7
purple 60, green 80
if that pattern holds, then yellow 100 (note: i have yet to have an opportunity to play a yellow)

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January 31st, 2022 at 11:16:01 AM permalink

Not even close on the yellow.

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January 31st, 2022 at 1:22:24 PM permalink

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Quote: DealtRoyal
Does anyone have an idea when Regal Riches would be +EV for AP play? It seems like a game that could be routinely left in a positive state but I don’t see anything on it from a reputable source.

Thanks in advance,

DealtRoyal
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if the rtp of the machine is high:
blue 7
purple 60, green 80
if that pattern holds, then yellow 100 (note: i have yet to have an opportunity to play a yellow)
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None of your numbers are correct for any one Rtp. Either way if you play them for profit why post your numbers? Btw for those who might say I’m one of the those tell me the info but nobody war people I got my numbers from collecting my personal data.

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January 31st, 2022 at 1:23:26 PM permalink

What I mean by that your numbers aren’t correct for any one Rtp is that no casino in the world will have a machine that those numbers all work.

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January 31st, 2022 at 5:32:10 PM permalink

As long as no one posts about the Kitty Glitter play

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February 1st, 2022 at 2:47:17 AM permalink

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As long as no one posts about the Kitty Glitter play
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KEEP IT QUIET!!

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February 1st, 2022 at 3:51:00 AM permalink

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As long as no one posts about the Kitty Glitter play
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KEEP IT QUIET!!
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February 1st, 2022 at 7:01:56 AM permalink

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As long as no one posts about the Kitty Glitter play
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Or Stinking Rich (all varieties such as Grand, Ultra, Eclipse, and Gone Wild)

Even the SlotLady is on it:

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February 1st, 2022 at 9:38:56 AM permalink

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As long as no one posts about the Kitty Glitter play
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Or Stinking Rich (all varieties such as Grand, Ultra, Eclipse, and Gone Wild)

Even the SlotLady is on it:

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Can’t compete with the Kitty Glitter specialty!

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February 8th, 2022 at 7:16:12 AM permalink

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As long as no one posts about the Kitty Glitter play
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Or Stinking Rich (all varieties such as Grand, Ultra, Eclipse, and Gone Wild)

Even the SlotLady is on it:

link to original post

And DarkOz just mentioned he plays Stinking Rich here:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling-outside-vegas/atlantic-city/36900-gn-ac-vs-darkoz/2/#post840452

Looks like this play will dry up.
I predict lots of campers in the near future...

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February 8th, 2022 at 7:50:26 AM permalink

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Quote: Hunterhill
As long as no one posts about the Kitty Glitter play
link to original post
Or Stinking Rich (all varieties such as Grand, Ultra, Eclipse, and Gone Wild)

Even the SlotLady is on it:

link to original post
And DarkOz just mentioned he plays Stinking Rich here:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling-outside-vegas/atlantic-city/36900-gn-ac-vs-darkoz/2/#post840452

Looks like this play will dry up.
I predict lots of campers in the near future...
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Lol, I confess I have no idea what the Advantage play is on Stinking Rich. I was playing it purely for fun that day in my post.

As I am certain no one will share what the AP is on that (or for kitty Glitter which I also play for fun but have no idea how to AP) I may never know.

It's not obvious enough that my Spidey AP senses were alerted.

So the secret is probably safe for now.

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March 11th, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM permalink

Yes! you made me go into full google search mode :)

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March 11th, 2022 at 3:20:21 PM permalink

I'm planning to analyze Regal Riches when I'm done with Golden Jungle Grand.

Perhaps I'll look at Stinkin' Rich after that. I didn't know there was an AP opportunity on that one.

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March 11th, 2022 at 4:44:56 PM permalink

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Dig deeper. Mickey Crimm tweeted some entry numbers a while back.
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Unless you enjoy losing money I’d give those numbers a little padding in most locations. All I will say, but in this case it causes people to think things are positive that aren’t yet. Once numbers get published any play is significantly devalued for anyone already playing them.

I know Wiz doesn’t see things that way, but he’s both more gifted than most of us and hasn’t relied on income from playing to the extent some others have.
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This is such a bad mentality for this forum. I understand people want to keep secret money making avenues but then what's the point of a public forum for discussing AP plays and games.

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March 11th, 2022 at 7:16:03 PM permalink

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Quote: linksjunkie
Dig deeper. Mickey Crimm tweeted some entry numbers a while back.
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Unless you enjoy losing money I’d give those numbers a little padding in most locations. All I will say, but in this case it causes people to think things are positive that aren’t yet. Once numbers get published any play is significantly devalued for anyone already playing them.

I know Wiz doesn’t see things that way, but he’s both more gifted than most of us and hasn’t relied on income from playing to the extent some others have.
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This is such a bad mentality for this forum. I understand people want to keep secret money making avenues but then what's the point of a public forum for discussing AP plays and games.
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The point is to teach you how to think about ap and what makes a play. Not to spoon feed people the info. If the information becomes too widely known, then it becomes useless. If you really want to learn you have to get out there and put your time in. You will meet people and observe others and learn through experience.

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March 11th, 2022 at 7:39:14 PM permalink

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Quote: linksjunkie
Dig deeper. Mickey Crimm tweeted some entry numbers a while back.
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Unless you enjoy losing money I’d give those numbers a little padding in most locations. All I will say, but in this case it causes people to think things are positive that aren’t yet. Once numbers get published any play is significantly devalued for anyone already playing them.

I know Wiz doesn’t see things that way, but he’s both more gifted than most of us and hasn’t relied on income from playing to the extent some others have.
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This is such a bad mentality for this forum. I understand people want to keep secret money making avenues but then what's the point of a public forum for discussing AP plays and games.
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The point is to teach you how to think about ap and what makes a play. Not to spoon feed people the info. If the information becomes too widely known, then it becomes useless. If you really want to learn you have to get out there and put your time in. You will meet people and observe others and learn through experience.
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Well said.

The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.

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March 11th, 2022 at 8:15:50 PM permalink

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The point is to teach you how to think about ap and what makes a play. Not to spoon feed people the info. If the information becomes too widely known, then it becomes useless. If you really want to learn you have to get out there and put your time in. You will meet people and observe others and learn through experience.
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I'd like to think that helping players with a few games will help them think like an AP to figure out others themselves.

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March 11th, 2022 at 8:59:38 PM permalink

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As long as no one posts about the Kitty Glitter play
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Or Stinking Rich (all varieties such as Grand, Ultra, Eclipse, and Gone Wild)

Even the SlotLady is on it:

link to original post
And DarkOz just mentioned he plays Stinking Rich here:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling-outside-vegas/atlantic-city/36900-gn-ac-vs-darkoz/2/#post840452

Looks like this play will dry up.
I predict lots of campers in the near future...
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Lol, I confess I have no idea what the Advantage play is on Stinking Rich. I was playing it purely for fun that day in my post.

As I am certain no one will share what the AP is on that (or for kitty Glitter which I also play for fun but have no idea how to AP) I may never know.

It's not obvious enough that my Spidey AP senses were alerted.

So the secret is probably safe for now.
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I believe most of the things you say - but now that you say you are playing slots for fun - huh? Physically a waste of your time

I have zero credibility to call you out on this type of thing but something seems off about that one particular comment which is making my mind say wtf

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March 11th, 2022 at 9:55:50 PM permalink

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Quote: Hunterhill
As long as no one posts about the Kitty Glitter play
link to original post
Or Stinking Rich (all varieties such as Grand, Ultra, Eclipse, and Gone Wild)

Even the SlotLady is on it:

link to original post
And DarkOz just mentioned he plays Stinking Rich here:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling-outside-vegas/atlantic-city/36900-gn-ac-vs-darkoz/2/#post840452

Looks like this play will dry up.
I predict lots of campers in the near future...
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Lol, I confess I have no idea what the Advantage play is on Stinking Rich. I was playing it purely for fun that day in my post.

As I am certain no one will share what the AP is on that (or for kitty Glitter which I also play for fun but have no idea how to AP) I may never know.

It's not obvious enough that my Spidey AP senses were alerted.

So the secret is probably safe for now.
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I believe most of the things you say - but now that you say you are playing slots for fun - huh? Physically a waste of your time

I have zero credibility to call you out on this type of thing but something seems off about that one particular comment which is making my mind say wtf
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Lol, it's unbelievable that I might play for fun occasionally?

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March 12th, 2022 at 4:03:07 AM permalink

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The point is to teach you how to think about ap and what makes a play. Not to spoon feed people the info. If the information becomes too widely known, then it becomes useless. If you really want to learn you have to get out there and put your time in. You will meet people and observe others and learn through experience.
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I'd like to think that helping players with a few games will help them think like an AP to figure out others themselves.
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I completely agree. A great example is the detail you provide for video poker progressives on , both the +EV matrix and the VP strategy tool can allow anyone to fully understand, identify opportunities and take advantage of this AP. I really appreciate that same concept you applied to AP slot such as Ocean Magic and GE. On the forum there is discussions on the math that identifies when a MHB is +EV. Thanks for all YOUR work to make us all much more educated! I am glad you will continue to show additional AP slots and show others the math that determining their +EV level.
Thanks,
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March 12th, 2022 at 7:28:12 AM permalink

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Quote: darkoz
Quote: 100xOdds
Quote: 100xOdds
Quote: Hunterhill
As long as no one posts about the Kitty Glitter play
link to original post
Or Stinking Rich (all varieties such as Grand, Ultra, Eclipse, and Gone Wild)

Even the SlotLady is on it:

link to original post
And DarkOz just mentioned he plays Stinking Rich here:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling-outside-vegas/atlantic-city/36900-gn-ac-vs-darkoz/2/#post840452

Looks like this play will dry up.
I predict lots of campers in the near future...
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Lol, I confess I have no idea what the Advantage play is on Stinking Rich. I was playing it purely for fun that day in my post.

As I am certain no one will share what the AP is on that (or for kitty Glitter which I also play for fun but have no idea how to AP) I may never know.

It's not obvious enough that my Spidey AP senses were alerted.

So the secret is probably safe for now.
link to original post

I believe most of the things you say - but now that you say you are playing slots for fun - huh? Physically a waste of your time

I have zero credibility to call you out on this type of thing but something seems off about that one particular comment which is making my mind say wtf
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Lol, it's unbelievable that I might play for fun occasionally?
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Drunk comment don’t mind me sorry I actually don’t care

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March 12th, 2022 at 8:44:14 AM permalink

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Quote: darkoz
Quote: heatmap
Quote: darkoz
Quote: 100xOdds
Quote: 100xOdds
Quote: Hunterhill
As long as no one posts about the Kitty Glitter play
link to original post
Or Stinking Rich (all varieties such as Grand, Ultra, Eclipse, and Gone Wild)

Even the SlotLady is on it:

link to original post
And DarkOz just mentioned he plays Stinking Rich here:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling-outside-vegas/atlantic-city/36900-gn-ac-vs-darkoz/2/#post840452

Looks like this play will dry up.
I predict lots of campers in the near future...
link to original post

Lol, I confess I have no idea what the Advantage play is on Stinking Rich. I was playing it purely for fun that day in my post.

As I am certain no one will share what the AP is on that (or for kitty Glitter which I also play for fun but have no idea how to AP) I may never know.

It's not obvious enough that my Spidey AP senses were alerted.

So the secret is probably safe for now.
link to original post

I believe most of the things you say - but now that you say you are playing slots for fun - huh? Physically a waste of your time

I have zero credibility to call you out on this type of thing but something seems off about that one particular comment which is making my mind say wtf
link to original post

Lol, it's unbelievable that I might play for fun occasionally?
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Drunk comment don’t mind me sorry I actually don’t care
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Watch out. You might make his list. You don't want to make his list.

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March 12th, 2022 at 11:03:54 AM permalink

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Quote: 100xOdds
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Quote: Hunterhill
As long as no one posts about the Kitty Glitter play
link to original post
Or Stinking Rich (all varieties such as Grand, Ultra, Eclipse, and Gone Wild)

Even the SlotLady is on it:

link to original post
And DarkOz just mentioned he plays Stinking Rich here:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling-outside-vegas/atlantic-city/36900-gn-ac-vs-darkoz/2/#post840452

Looks like this play will dry up.
I predict lots of campers in the near future...
link to original post

Lol, I confess I have no idea what the Advantage play is on Stinking Rich. I was playing it purely for fun that day in my post.

As I am certain no one will share what the AP is on that (or for kitty Glitter which I also play for fun but have no idea how to AP) I may never know.

It's not obvious enough that my Spidey AP senses were alerted.

So the secret is probably safe for now.
link to original post

I believe most of the things you say - but now that you say you are playing slots for fun - huh? Physically a waste of your time

I have zero credibility to call you out on this type of thing but something seems off about that one particular comment which is making my mind say wtf
link to original post

Lol, it's unbelievable that I might play for fun occasionally?
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Drunk comment don’t mind me sorry I actually don’t care
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Watch out. You might make his list. You don't want to make his list.
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tbh i believe what darkoz says more than most of the people on here i was in a bad mood and have no clue why i actually verbalized what i was thinking out loud it didnt add to the conversation and is baseline hijacking so i apologize

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March 12th, 2022 at 11:53:02 AM permalink

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Quote: Hunterhill
As long as no one posts about the Kitty Glitter play
link to original post
Or Stinking Rich (all varieties such as Grand, Ultra, Eclipse, and Gone Wild)

Even the SlotLady is on it:

link to original post
And DarkOz just mentioned he plays Stinking Rich here:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling-outside-vegas/atlantic-city/36900-gn-ac-vs-darkoz/2/#post840452

Looks like this play will dry up.
I predict lots of campers in the near future...
link to original post

Lol, I confess I have no idea what the Advantage play is on Stinking Rich. I was playing it purely for fun that day in my post.

As I am certain no one will share what the AP is on that (or for kitty Glitter which I also play for fun but have no idea how to AP) I may never know.

It's not obvious enough that my Spidey AP senses were alerted.

So the secret is probably safe for now.
link to original post

I believe most of the things you say - but now that you say you are playing slots for fun - huh? Physically a waste of your time

I have zero credibility to call you out on this type of thing but something seems off about that one particular comment which is making my mind say wtf
link to original post

Lol, it's unbelievable that I might play for fun occasionally?
link to original post

Drunk comment don’t mind me sorry I actually don’t care
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Watch out. You might make his list. You don't want to make his list.
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tbh i believe what darkoz says more than most of the people on here i was in a bad mood and have no clue why i actually verbalized what i was thinking out loud it didnt add to the conversation and is baseline hijacking so i apologize
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Apology accepted but really unnecessary. I didn't take it too seriously. I thought it funny of all my claims that my gambling for fun was what you doubted.

I don't often do it and when I lose I kick myself, however I have the consolation that I will get every penny lost back with interest thanks to my AP. Something the average ploppie can't enjoy stating.

I gambled for fun from 1997 till 2012, although not consistently as I would get discouraged and stay away from casinos for months and even years.

Oddly it was being homeless and having the time on my hands as a result that helped me discover and pursue my AP career.

I joined this forum in 2009 before I knew anything about AP and came into AP by chance in 2012. Go back to my early posts from 2009 - 2012 and you will see I joined to write gambling fiction and make no mention of AP at that time.

EDIT: And when I say gambling fiction I mean short science fiction stories about AP through time traveling and Aliens, etc. Some posters on here will try to twist my statement as evidence I am making my adventures up :)))

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March 18th, 2022 at 9:21:41 AM permalink

To be fair (I'm not completely defending him), the Wiz posted about Ocean Magic and Golden Egypt when those plays were on the downswing. Those two plays are COMPLETELY dead now. So be it.

Golden Jungle is dead, and Regal Riches is on the downswing to where it's almost completely dead. So the Wiz's entry point isn't really killing the play, but it does put the nail in the coffin.

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March 18th, 2022 at 10:56:56 AM permalink

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To be fair (I'm not completely defending him), the Wiz posted about Ocean Magic and Golden Egypt when those plays were on the downswing. Those two plays are COMPLETELY dead now. So be it.

Golden Jungle is dead, and Regal Riches is on the downswing to where it's almost completely dead. So the Wiz's entry point isn't really killing the play, but it does put the nail in the coffin.
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What killed the games? Did the game maker alter the rules, or did they change the payables? What changed with Golden Jungle to kill it, if you know. Were there too many scavangers?

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March 20th, 2022 at 9:17:31 AM permalink

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Quote: teddys
To be fair (I'm not completely defending him), the Wiz posted about Ocean Magic and Golden Egypt when those plays were on the downswing. Those two plays are COMPLETELY dead now. So be it.

Golden Jungle is dead, and Regal Riches is on the downswing to where it's almost completely dead. So the Wiz's entry point isn't really killing the play, but it does put the nail in the coffin.
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What killed the games? Did the game maker alter the rules, or did they change the payables? What changed with Golden Jungle to kill it, if you know. Were there too many scavangers?
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Too many people knowing about it and checking, as well as too many players knowing the game better and not leaving stuff behind.

"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4

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March 28th, 2022 at 10:17:34 AM permalink

And.. too many scavengers with gambling addictiong knowingly playing it even before it develops an advantage.. aka race to the bottom.

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March 28th, 2022 at 11:14:54 AM permalink

So the games have not changed, it's just too many people looking at the machines for the play to be worthwhile. Thanks.
I was wondering if they had made the game harder itself, but it's just the opportunities that have dwindled.

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April 2nd, 2022 at 5:50:06 AM permalink

I have a different theory on some of these games that offer the vulturing occasionally. The one thing they all have in common is that, for the most part, they do not pay well at all inside the game itself. Regal Riches and Cashman Bingo (the two I have played once I realized there could be an AP), are basically money drains to the average person, they put in some money and it drains them pretty quick without much in the way of "hits". Those select few who actually like the game learn pretty quickly that you pretty much have to play it to the conclusion of the bingo board or free games, which leaves very little AP left.

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April 4th, 2022 at 6:32:17 PM permalink

Anyone know what any of this means?

Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)

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