rxwine
rxwine
  • Threads: 211
  • Posts: 12201
Joined: Feb 28, 2010
August 17th, 2021 at 10:09:43 AM permalink
There's a must-hit machine within a month or two of reaching its one million dollar limit.

Things you may have to consider.
- teams competing with each other.to pick it off. Trying to figure out who is going to monopolize it first.
- Just some millionaire ploppies who band together early and take turns hogging the machine until it hits
- some other consideration.

Do you think a casino should have one? Have they already? I couldn't find anything, (looked for pics under google images)

Will this be fun, work, or just carnage with the public?.

edit - maybe should have put it 6 months out.
-
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22278
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
August 17th, 2021 at 10:28:28 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

There's a must-hit machine within a month or two of reaching its one million dollar limit.

Things you may have to consider.
- teams competing with each other.to pick it off. Trying to figure out who is going to monopolize it first.
- Just some millionaire ploppies who band together early and take turns hogging the machine until it hits
- some other consideration.

Do you think a casino should have one? Have they already? I couldn't find anything, (looked for pics under google images)

Will this be fun, work, or just carnage with the public?.

edit - maybe should have put it 6 months out.
-

As an Advantage Player, I dont like it at all, there are just too many things that could go wrong. For that amount of money, I can just imagine all the shady stuff that could happen. It all might just come down to who is willing to give bribe money, and who is willing to accept the bribe money.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
SOOPOO
SOOPOO
  • Threads: 122
  • Posts: 10981
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
August 17th, 2021 at 11:49:29 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

As an Advantage Player, I dont like it at all, there are just too many things that could go wrong. For that amount of money, I can just imagine all the shady stuff that could happen. It all might just come down to who is willing to give bribe money, and who is willing to accept the bribe money.



What you are really worried about is someone else figuring out who to bribe before you do!
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22278
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
August 18th, 2021 at 9:02:59 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

What you are really worried about is someone else figuring out who to bribe before you do!

Obviously.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
sabre
sabre
  • Threads: 3
  • Posts: 1172
Joined: Aug 16, 2010
August 18th, 2021 at 9:54:23 AM permalink
Nope. I probably wouldn't even do a 50k unless I had a solid host relationship. You have no recourse if a slot tech taps you on the shoulder after you're buried saying the machine needs to be serviced for an indefinite period.
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22278
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
August 18th, 2021 at 2:23:09 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

Nope. I probably wouldn't even do a 50k unless I had a solid host relationship. You have no recourse if a slot tech taps you on the shoulder after you're buried saying the machine needs to be serviced for an indefinite period.

I guess it would depend on the jurisdiction, however, I think gaming would allow you to have it held/locked up for x amount of time once opened. You probably dont have much recourse if they simply say you are no longer welcome at the casino and then trespass you.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
billryan
billryan
  • Threads: 240
  • Posts: 16282
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
August 19th, 2021 at 8:03:27 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I guess it would depend on the jurisdiction, however, I think gaming would allow you to have it held/locked up for x amount of time once opened. You probably dont have much recourse if they simply say you are no longer welcome at the casino and then trespass you.




Have casinos banned a player simply for camping out on a game? If a casino suspects a team is monopolizing a bank of machines to lock up the progressive, can they ban them? I remember seeing a sign on some machines at the Stardust years ago saying no slot teams allowed but is that enforced?
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
DRich
DRich
  • Threads: 86
  • Posts: 11700
Joined: Jul 6, 2012
August 20th, 2021 at 10:49:13 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Have casinos banned a player simply for camping out on a game? If a casino suspects a team is monopolizing a bank of machines to lock up the progressive, can they ban them? I remember seeing a sign on some machines at the Stardust years ago saying no slot teams allowed but is that enforced?



I have seen people escorted from a game if someone wanted to play it and the person wasn't actively playing it.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22278
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
August 20th, 2021 at 12:56:51 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Have casinos banned a player simply for camping out on a game? If a casino suspects a team is monopolizing a bank of machines to lock up the progressive, can they ban them? I remember seeing a sign on some machines at the Stardust years ago saying no slot teams allowed but is that enforced?

Yes they can, and yes they have, it has happened a number of times where I was involved over the years.

Stardust had lots of various good stuff to play back in the day. I was probably in there almost daily for a few years, that place helped build my bankroll significantly.

Stardust defiantly had an issue with allowing advantage slot and video poker players. Their security got very physical with me after I
came on to their radar soon after hitting a few bigger video poker progressives.

Do you know the approximate year you saw that sign at the Stardust, I had never seen such a sign prior to being 86ed?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
billryan
billryan
  • Threads: 240
  • Posts: 16282
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
August 20th, 2021 at 1:13:03 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Yes they can, and yes they have, it has happened a number of times where I was involved over the years.

Stardust had lots of various good stuff to play back in the day. I was probably in there almost daily for a few years, that place helped build my bankroll significantly.

Stardust defiantly had an issue with allowing advantage slot and video poker players. Their security got very physical with me after I
came on to their radar soon after hitting a few bigger video poker progressives.

Do you know the approximate year you saw that sign at the Stardust, I had never seen such a sign prior to being 86ed?



It was during the 2001 World Series so October/November 2001. In my mind, it was a bank with a Volkswagen on top, but that may not be an accurate memory, but the time is 100% certain.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
billryan
billryan
  • Threads: 240
  • Posts: 16282
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
August 20th, 2021 at 1:14:24 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I have seen people escorted from a game if someone wanted to play it and the person wasn't actively playing it.



When I say camping out, I mean someone who is there for the duration, not someone loitering without play.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
Sandybestdog
Sandybestdog
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 328
Joined: Feb 3, 2015
August 22nd, 2021 at 3:27:12 AM permalink
I was thinking of something the other day. If I was playing a must hit by it would give me the chance to get rid of a bunch of twenties. But I don’t know how many bills the machine can hold. If I had $5000 in twenties and filled it up and it couldn’t take any more bills what would happen? They may not be able to replace the box until the team swaps it out at 5am.
Dieter
Administrator
Dieter
  • Threads: 16
  • Posts: 5539
Joined: Jul 23, 2014
August 22nd, 2021 at 6:22:41 AM permalink
Quote: Sandybestdog

IBut I don’t know how many bills the machine can hold. If I had $5000 in twenties and filled it up and it couldn’t take any more bills what would happen? They may not be able to replace the box until the team swaps it out at 5am.



$5000 is 250 $20 notes.
This is not much.

I estimate that a lockbox can hold around 2500 notes and TITO slips based on dimensions.
If the boxes are pulled daily, you have nothing to worry about until you're feeding the acceptor every 34 seconds.
So... use higher denomination money or purchase tickets if you're exceeding $2 bets.

$20's are a bad choice if it's a linked must-hit and you have competition. The downtime in your play while you reload with $20's vs your competition loads with $100's doesn't help you.
May the cards fall in your favor.
rxwine
rxwine
  • Threads: 211
  • Posts: 12201
Joined: Feb 28, 2010
August 22nd, 2021 at 6:40:33 AM permalink
As far as I know, you don't even have to cash out when they change the boxes. Just wait nearby until they're done.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
Mission146
Mission146
  • Threads: 142
  • Posts: 16832
Joined: May 15, 2012
August 22nd, 2021 at 6:43:55 AM permalink
What RxWine said has also been my experience.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
PokerGrinder
PokerGrinder
  • Threads: 26
  • Posts: 5032
Joined: Apr 30, 2015
August 22nd, 2021 at 7:39:40 AM permalink
Quote: Sandybestdog

I was thinking of something the other day. If I was playing a must hit by it would give me the chance to get rid of a bunch of twenties. But I don’t know how many bills the machine can hold. If I had $5000 in twenties and filled it up and it couldn’t take any more bills what would happen? They may not be able to replace the box until the team swaps it out at 5am.


Friend got a 10k must hit wayyyyy past the number needed to take it after a rich ploppie had been playing it for most of the day. He sat down and after putting in about 2k the box was full. Friend had to wait almost 2 hours at 2 am while they changed out the box. They kept telling him he probably shouldn’t wait because it’s going to take a while but obviously he wasn’t going anywhere, the machine had about 5k ev. Eventually he was able to play it but now knows to make slot tickets in a different machine and use those when playing large mhb.
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. — Amarillo Slim Preston
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22278
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
August 22nd, 2021 at 11:53:53 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

It was during the 2001 World Series so October/November 2001. In my mind, it was a bank with a Volkswagen on top, but that may not be an accurate memory, but the time is 100% certain.

I have no reason to believe your memory isn't accurate. I was just wondering how soon they started adding stuff like this after I had been accosted.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
DRich
DRich
  • Threads: 86
  • Posts: 11700
Joined: Jul 6, 2012
August 23rd, 2021 at 8:46:12 AM permalink
Quote: Sandybestdog

I was thinking of something the other day. If I was playing a must hit by it would give me the chance to get rid of a bunch of twenties. But I don’t know how many bills the machine can hold. If I had $5000 in twenties and filled it up and it couldn’t take any more bills what would happen? They may not be able to replace the box until the team swaps it out at 5am.



Most moden machies will hold a minimum of 1000 notes. If the box fills up the machine will just quit accepting them and usually shows a message similar to "cash box full".

Most casinos can perform what they call an "Emergency Drop". Just let the slot tech know if won't take anymore bills and they can ask for an Emergency Drop. Casinos do it regularly. It may take them some time but they can do it if they want.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
  • Jump to: