FleaStiff
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May 28th, 2019 at 4:02:59 PM permalink
I see no great reason for an online casino to do anything different than the owner of a "real" casino would do.
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May 28th, 2019 at 5:13:44 PM permalink
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You hit the nail on the head, onenickelmiracle. I'm hoping for a reply from someone who DOES know! maybe I'll hit the jackpot and get an answer from that person or persons! Thanks again, for your response.



What am I? Chopped liver? You did get a reply from someone who does know.
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May 28th, 2019 at 6:14:26 PM permalink
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What am I? Chopped liver? You did get a reply from someone who does know.



I almost started laughing and then felt bad but rationalized that he just didn’t see your comment or simply know that you work in the industry. Sorry if I ever said anything that wasn’t nice to you I do respect that you can work in the industry and (not partake?) in the festivities as I have no self control and wouldn’t be able to work at a casino in general
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May 28th, 2019 at 6:52:42 PM permalink
Apologies, FCBLComish. No disrespect intended....My question is specific to online slots which have a jackpot feature and the chances of hitting that jackpot one one given spin with two different sized bets. Your advice, which is more general in nature, is well taken and appreciated.

By the way, chopped liver is a good thing. I miss my grandmother's very much. her potato latkes as well.

Thanks again for your advice!
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May 28th, 2019 at 8:17:01 PM permalink
Thanks, FleaStiff. The problem with online casinos as opposed to brick and mortar entities is that they can, and do create their own rules, without having to answer to anyone. This leads to a lack of transparency. When I call or email customer service of an online establishment with a question, I often come away dissatisfied, because those agents either don't know the answer, or give evasive answers. As well, they don't like to escalate issues/questions to management because it reflects badly on them personally. It's a struggle, at best.

Land based casinos are held to a higher standard due to regulation and are thus more transparent. Those are the differences I see. Thanks again for your post
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May 29th, 2019 at 4:28:48 AM permalink
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The slots that have the highest house edge are the penny slots. As you go up in denomination, they get looser. It does not matter how many coins you are playing, just the denom.

But does this have no exceptions?

John Robinson seems like a straight shooter to me, and currently writes at a site where I find the article authors make an effort to avoid B.S.* I'll quote from one article, see link below, and I'd be interested in any comment.

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Slot machines do many things to encourage you to bet more. They might have progressives that are available only when you bet max coin. Or higher bets may trigger additional game elements that are not a result of a combination on the reels, like a randomly triggered bonus event, more frequently.

These tactics all involve higher bets at the same denomination. What happens if you change the denomination?

It's possible that selecting a higher denomination on a multi-denomination machine will load in a higher long-term payback program... [But] Even though it's possible that changing denomination could load new reel layouts, we can't verify it so I wouldn't count on it.

The safest assumption on a multi-denomination slot machine is that the long-term payback is the same across all denominations and the long-term payback was chosen based on the lowest denomination available on the machine.



http://robison.casinocitytimes.com/article/ask-the-slot-expert-does-raising-the-denomination-on-a-multi-denomination-slot-machine-raise-the-long-term-payback-66287

*These articles at this site can be really dumbed down [I don't think this one is], and the main contributors have to provide new articles constantly, which shows - it's too hard to write a great article every day. But the only thing I ever see that is dubious is the claim that dice setting really works.
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May 29th, 2019 at 4:26:11 PM permalink
There are some machines where putting in more coins open up more features. That is part of the game, and usually written into the rules. Fort Knox is a good example of this.

The percentage payback is something that is not visible to the player. Every slot game can be set to a variety of hold percentages. Generally in the industry, including on-line games, the hold percentage on the penny games is the highest, and it decreases as you get into the higher denominations.
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May 29th, 2019 at 4:46:36 PM permalink
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There are some machines where putting in more coins open up more features. That is part of the game, and usually written into the rules. Fort Knox is a good example of this.

The percentage payback is something that is not visible to the player. Every slot game can be set to a variety of hold percentages. Generally in the industry, including on-line games, the hold percentage on the penny games is the highest, and it decreases as you get into the higher denominations.



I have to ask you would you consider this behavior to be “adaptive” as from what I remember about gli standards it is something they advise against
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May 29th, 2019 at 5:08:53 PM permalink
I don't think that is what is meant by adaptive.

It certainly is true that online casinos can do whatever they please and are not likely to favor transparency. What I meant was that the economic motivation would be similar but online casinos do not necessarily follow economically ideal procedures.
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May 29th, 2019 at 7:59:31 PM permalink


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