How to get par sheet on a slot?
Saw lots of people playing this game, both NightLife and Diamonds variations.
out of curiosity, want to know what the various Return % settings are.
I’m not sure how you would go about that without having any contacts.
I have a feeling the "secrets" (i.e. what you would find on a par sheet) to a slot machine are handled the same way.
Quote: WizardI think if you tipped a slot technician very well he might tell you what return any given game is set to. It's quite another matter to get the par sheet, which I don't know why a recreational player would want anyway.
how else could I get what the various Return % settings are?
maybe the par sheet isn't what I want?
maybe the marketing summary sheet is what I need?
Quote: 100xOddshow else could I get what the various Return % settings are?
maybe the par sheet isn't what I want?
maybe the marketing summary sheet is what I need?
You just need the theoretical return. A slot technician would be able to get at that easily if he wanted to.
Quote: WizardYou just need the theoretical return. A slot technician would be able to get at that easily if he wanted to.
That's not always true. Sometimes casinos put the par sheet inside the machine, some don't. A regular slot tech wouldn't normally have access to the numbers if they are not in the machine. It would have to be a higher lever tech or Supervisor with access to the Slot Accounting System.
Also, even if they do have access, not many would be willing to share that information and risk their job for $20 or $50. They would most likely be terminated with no warning if seen or found to be sharing that info.
If it was that easy, par sheets would be all over the place.
ZCore13
Quote: 100xOddshttps://www.sggaming.com/games/WMS/class3/VIDEO/Lock-It-Link-Night-Life-4060
Saw lots of people playing this game, both NightLife and Diamonds variations.
out of curiosity, want to know what the various Return % settings are.
On the Night Life game the marketing materials say there are five different pay schedules from 87% to 95%.
As for legally finding a PAR sheet as a member of the general public with no relevant contacts, that happens either by complete accident or by someone's carelessness.
Quote: doughtakerIf you want to know the setting of a specific machine at a casino you go to, you best bet without contacts is to hope you can catch a glimpse when the machine is opened up and being worked on by a tech or attendant.
What is it you think you will see when the door is open??
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13What is it you think you will see when the door is open??
Not too much on the inside... cash box, TITO printer, electronic parts, wiring, maybe a paper log (but definitely not the PAR sheet). But I'm more interested in that video monitor which may turn into a touchscreen of menus and data. Depending on what they're doing, the tech/attendant might end up going to the screen that literally states the theoretical and actual return of that machine.
Usually you want the door to be closed, and for an attendant to be doing something with the menus/selections. Tipping the attendant would be a major NO-NO (and probably cause loss of job). Asking the GM sometimes works.Quote: doughtakerNot too much on the inside... cash box, TITO printer, electronic parts, wiring, maybe a paper log (but definitely not the PAR sheet). But I'm more interested in that video monitor which may turn into a touchscreen of menus and data. Depending on what they're doing, the tech/attendant might end up going to the screen that literally states the theoretical and actual return of that machine.
For example, sometimes machines are being checked every two weeks, and the settings are being written down.
There are usually 2+ screens which have the return.
1) Configuration screen, which may have the "base game return, e.g. without progressives or bonus rounds or fancy features", "fancy features return", "overall return". There are games which have multiple "returns" at different bets or on different themes.
2) Coin-in, coin-out screen which have the theoretical & actual return
3) Sometimes other screens have the name of the software "X machine - version Y, Z%"
Warning: the configuration screen may have options selected/unselected which will decrease the return of the game.
Quote: doughtakerIf you want to know the setting of a specific machine at a casino you go to, you best bet without contacts is to hope you can catch a glimpse when the machine is opened up and being worked on by a tech or attendant.
Here is a little not so secret secret. Almost every casino in the U.S. uses the same key to access the Attendant menus on the slot machine. It is known as the "Gold Key" or "Bronze Key" or the "2341 key". These keys are not hard to obtain. If you don't have a contact to get one, just buy an old used slot machine and the key will come with it.
Quote: IbeatyouracesThe slot techs usually have them. I remember watching them change all of the pay tables, for the worse no less, at MotorCity a few years ago on all of their VP.
Oh my gosh. How did you ever recover from that trauma??
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Oh my gosh. How did you ever recover from that trauma??
ZCore13
Never did!!!
Oddly, their revenue revenue from them is down. No idea why though!?!?
Had 4 sessions on it, all profits.
Quote: DRichHere is a little not so secret secret. Almost every casino in the U.S. uses the same key to access the Attendant menus on the slot machine. It is known as the "Gold Key" or "Bronze Key" or the "2341 key". These keys are not hard to obtain. If you don't have a contact to get one, just buy an old used slot machine and the key will come with it.
Pretty sure you can get these on ebay or places like that. You probably recall the Peppermill-Reno fiasco a few years ago. Off the top of my head the casino knowingly sent an employee around to the competition to open their machines on the sly and look around. Google it, I forget the details. But I think it cost them a million buck fine.
I once found a bulletin board where guys were asking for and trading par sheets and stuff. I forget the name and I think it stopped. I myself picked up a par sheet of Super-8 Race, one version of it. Let me tellya, there's a gazillion things they can do to that one game. Now that I know the basic setup, I personally thoroughly check out a new game entering my casino and never assume that it is like the ones that it joins.
Quote: DRichOn the Night Life game the marketing materials say there are five different pay schedules from 87% to 95%.
Would the average slot PLAYER really be able to detect the difference in this range?
Quote: ECoasterWould the average slot PLAYER really be able to detect the difference in this range?
Maybe they could tell the difference between 87% and 95% if they put in lots of hours. No one is going to be able to tell the difference between 87 and 90.
Quote: DRichMaybe they could tell the difference between 87% and 95% if they put in lots of hours. No one is going to be able to tell the difference between 87 and 90.
He asked about the "average" slot player. Kinda setting a low bar.
