Mission146
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January 7th, 2017 at 6:59:10 AM permalink
Actually, I'm going to take that back and say I had it a little wrong. Kane owned a GK unit at home, but he first encountered the glitch at the Fremont, I believe it was. I think he just used his home unit to figure out precisely what caused the glitch and how to do it intentionally.

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I thought about that adding some value but unless that was my intentions I don't think I would buy a Slot I was not really interested in just because I might find a glitch. How much value could that possibly add?



I agree with you, my point was that some practical use did come out of it. I don't even think he bought it for the purpose of finding the glitch, I think he already had it before that. Like you said, typically it would just be a novelty for guests and a good conversation piece. If I were going to have anything at home in terms of a gambling device, it'd be a proper craps table. More interactive, and any guests I may have could play it together.

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I remember reading something about that being a possibility, not sure if that's the case. Once it accidently happened did he then buy one for the purpose of trying to recreate it? That I could understand being a good move.



I think he already had one, and then used it to determine how to duplicate the glitch after it accidentally happened.

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Either way, how did that turn out for them?(penniless )



Has it been reported that Kane returned the money before the charges against them were dropped? I thought that only Nestor (the one who was doing it at Meadows in Washington, PA) was actually reported to have returned the money.

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One can rightfully argue he and his friend made lots of really dumb mistakes(like double claiming the same Jackpot, hitting Meadows and the same casinos for so much), and how thy would have done it different. This is all after the fact and hearing how it all went down, including what IGT and the casinos knew or didn't know. They had no clue how long this would last, who else might know about it, who else might find out or how it would end. There might have been a sense of urgency.



It's possible that you may be right as far as Kane is concerned, but Nestor definitely didn't pursue it in the most intelligent way. Kane taught Nestor how the whole thing worked and just wanted a cut of whatever Nestor did, given that it was Kane who discovered it. Nestor then decided there was no reason for him to cut Kane in anymore and so he started doing it himself. When Nestor was eventually caught at The Meadows, I believe Kane had already either been outright caught or was facing some serious heat, so he called Nestor and told him that the jig was up. Nestor believed instead that Kane was just jacked at him for flat out stealing the play and keeping all of the profits when there had previously been some sort of split going on Nestor's action.

Double claiming the same jackpot on the same unique hand was foolish, even if there had been a sense of urgency. Hitting a jackpot on the same precise hand (card positions) within a period of a half hour, or whatever it was? An experienced VP player like Kane, especially playing in a high-limit room, would have to understand, maybe not to the one-millionth of a percent or anything, but that the odds against that are extremely long.

I do agree that hindsight is 20/20, and everyone who is not Nestor or Kane is just Monday-morning quarterbacking this whole thing, but both of them definitely made some dumb mistakes and/or got too greedy.

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I know how I think I would have done it, but sometimes there's nothing you can do to avoid being in the right place at the wrong time. Eventually something out of your control always goes wrong if you keep doing something like this. The question is how much can you save up before that time?



I know how I would have done it, too. It was on a particular GK unit, so you would have to go around and scout all of the casinos to find that specific type of unit. For my part, I'd take my action cross-country. I wouldn't hit any one casino for more than one jackpot in a month, maybe two, if the specific units weren't actually available at very many places, but it sounds like they were.
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Tanko
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January 7th, 2017 at 7:39:42 AM permalink
The Johnson Act of 1962 prohibits the transportation of gambling devices across most state lines.

I owned a pinball machine business years ago.

When a few of my customers began asking me to install slot machines in their back rooms, I called my dealer.

He advised, "Don't do it. I can give you the address of a place in New Jersey that sells refurbished machines, but the FBI watches the place".

"When you leave with your machines, they will follow you, and the moment you cross into New York State, you will be arrested."
Nathan
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January 7th, 2017 at 8:25:18 AM permalink
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Something else to think abut is this.....playing a slot at home is NOT the same as playing in a casino. Loses a lot of the allure when you have to fill the hopper with your own coins. What's the point of winning your own jackpot? Your friends might want to play with your money, but you'll have to let them know they can't keep any winnings, or they insert their own coins, and take away all the coins they win. Either way will likely strain the friendship. I say "coins" because the TITO system is newer than 25 years.



I clicked on this thread to basically say the same thing you just did. I agree, what a weird idea. You cannot win extra money since you are only getting your own money back. I guess the way one guy uses it is good. He says he uses it as an electronic, glorified, high tech piggy bank. That actually makes a lot of sense.
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ThatDonGuy
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January 7th, 2017 at 8:51:51 AM permalink
Quote: Tanko

I owned a pinball machine business years ago.

When a few of my customers began asking me to install slot machines in their back rooms, I called my dealer.

He advised, "Don't do it. I can give you the address of a place in New Jersey that sells refurbished machines, but the FBI watches the place".

"When you leave with your machines, they will follow you, and the moment you cross into New York State, you will be arrested."


Note that 15 USC 1178(2) specifically exempts pinball machines - with one possible exception: depending on the definition of the word "property," transporting pinball machines with a "match" feature may be illegal. The last time I played pinball machines in New York City (1995, IIRC), not only were matches turned off, but no machines rewarded replays - only extra balls. There is nothing new about this; there are a number of machines going back to the 1960s (if not earlier) that have both a "replay" version and an "add-a-ball" (i.e. extra ball) version, with the latter being used in jurisdictions where games with replays were considered illegal as it was felt that the machine owners would "buy back" the replays - i.e. it was a gambling machine (which, of course, is what is done with pretty much every "bingo pinball" machine; the one at the Pinball Hall of Fame on Tropicana is the rare exception).

Also note that some states appear to be exempt from the law, although I doubt New York is one of them.

Here is a link to the specific text of the law.

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