gamerfreak
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December 9th, 2016 at 7:17:56 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

What's your average bet and speed when you play?

$300 as your biggest hit suggests you are playing 1 coin/penny per line. If you are playing "mega themed slot machines" that's usually 50 lines.
I'm assuming when you play you watch the reels spin out and dick around a little. You probably average 10 spins a minute.
After 120 hours of play at -14%, you say you are beating slots without any abnormal hits(Actually $300 as your biggest hit seems low) after 72k spins.

you should be down about 5k.

If after 72k spins someone was running 14% worst than they should be on a slot machine they should call gaming because that would suggest it was gaffed.

Did Alan Mendelson put you up to this?


Right I get the math doesn't work out. But I think if you made a plot of slot gamblers similar to me there would be outliers in either direction, one of them being me.

I do think my behaviors contribute though. Like you said I play slowly and usually the minimum amount per spin. And I think that very few people walk when they are only up a few dollars, I have no problem doing that.

Luck exists in the form of variance and I've just been really lucky when it comes to slots and less lucky at games like craps and pai gow that are theoretically better games. But that's the thing about outliers, they don't represent the likely theoretical outcome.
AxelWolf
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December 9th, 2016 at 9:37:27 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Right I get the math doesn't work out. But I think if you made a plot of slot gamblers similar to me there would be outliers in either direction, one of them being me.

I do think my behaviors contribute though. Like you said I play slowly and usually the minimum amount per spin. And I think that very few people walk when they are only up a few dollars, I have no problem doing that.

Luck exists in the form of variance and I've just been really lucky when it comes to slots and less lucky at games like craps and pai gow that are theoretically better games. But that's the thing about outliers, they don't represent the likely theoretical outcome.

Walking away ahead or not with multiple sessions over 72k spins is meaningless.

I think I read something somewhere that gaming control requires a 100k spin test to be within 1%.(needs to be fact checked)

You have 72k spins and you are off by 13% to 15%.

I'm sure someone like ME could reasonably estimate just how staggering your results are.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
BTLWI
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December 10th, 2016 at 12:32:11 AM permalink
Are you including free play and points put back in?
gamerfreak
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December 10th, 2016 at 1:00:44 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Walking away ahead or not with multiple sessions over 72k spins is meaningless.

I think I read something somewhere that gaming control requires a 100k spin test to be within 1%.(needs to be fact checked)

You have 72k spins and you are off by 13% to 15%.

I'm sure someone like ME could reasonably estimate just how staggering your results are.


There's a couple things throwing this off.

I'm at far less than 72k spins. Partially because that estimate is for 120 hours of play per year (5 hours a month is 60/year).

The other part is that I'm thinking about it, and I believe I average way less than 10 spins a minute over a 5 hour session. I take my time and take breaks to look at my phone and whatnot, I am with my girlfriend and we are drinking, I skip around and play a lot of different machines, and the themed slots I like have a ton of feature modes that suck up some time. I also put in some 3CP play most sessions.

Overall after 2 years I would say, based on my points balance, I'm at $20k-$30k coin in, which is way less than 72k spins.

My records are also off in that the dollar amounts split between 3CP and slots is an estimate. I only count the money in my wallet before/after a trip and record the delta. I definitely put in more hours of slot play, but it's possible the 3CP contributed to more winning or break even sessions than slots.
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Nathan
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December 16th, 2016 at 8:51:08 PM permalink
Congratulations on knowing to stop when you are a few bucks up and not being one of those foolish people who say,"I am up ONLY $20. I want to be $200 up!" And keep playing not only the extra $20, but virtually all of the bankroll and then kick themselves for not leaving with the extra $20 in the first place.
Guy "won" less than his bet and the slot machine had the audacity to tell him he got a big win! SMH! Also, the Nintendo cartridge is so much more important than the Nintendo console. Without the cartridge, the Nintendo console is just a useless box.
gamerfreak
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January 1st, 2017 at 7:24:54 AM permalink
I got about 3 solid hours of game of thrones in this weekend, and came out about $80 ahead.

Lost my shirt on craps.

I need to stop playing these low HE games.
ProfessorSlot
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January 5th, 2017 at 6:02:41 AM permalink
I think your a gambler that love to play slot machines. They are not a bad game to bet on a casino and I find it much easier to play compare to other casino games. You can earn even more by just playing slots but if you can also try casino have table games to play on.
gamerfreak
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April 1st, 2017 at 3:04:04 AM permalink
I'm continuing to kill it on game of thrones. I was able to take my first trip to AC this year, and I got a solid 4 hours of GoT slots in at $0.50/spin. I ended approx +$200 for that game. No large wins either, largest overall win was $42 from the feature.

For whatever it's worth, I triggered the wheel feature 7 times, and got the John Snow Wall 6/7 times.

Other games that were good to me were Big Bang Theory and The New Willy Wonka. Games that took me down a bit were Walking Dead, and Sphinx 3D.

3CP was decent, at $10 ante/play only I came out +$30 for about 3 hours of play. For whatever reason, the 3CP at Bally's Wild West was a $10 minimum, where it is usually $5 (along with every other game there).

I was trying to play craps all night but there was absolutly no space at any table besides the $25 minimums. Literally the same people at every table over my 8 hour session, no one freakin moved.

I was watching the table and some guy dropped a chip, so I let him know and he started talking to me and saying certain bets he was placing were for me. He Kept rubbing my belly for good luck. It was a little weird.

So before the next come out roll I asked if I could squeeze in (it was a little tight but there was enough space) and him and another player absolutely flipped their lid. They weren't shooting or anything so I'm not sure what bad JuJu I was bringing by asking if there was some space. Superstitious Craps players are the worst.
SiegfriedRoy
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April 18th, 2017 at 10:21:05 AM permalink
Is there a way to find the odds on all the probabilities on all the wheel combinations? Is there a chart somewhere you can find probability of hitting the progressive on a given slot, or the bonus, etc. etc.?
sabre
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April 18th, 2017 at 11:20:41 AM permalink
Yes, it's called a PAR sheet. Good luck finding one if you aren't in the industry.

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