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November 4th, 2016 at 9:26:42 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Under what legal theory?

Clearly there is no contractual breach: the machine clearly stated that a malfunction voids all pays, and the stated pay table shows the highest possible payout: 6500.

Nor is there a tort claim; inter alia I see no damages to her caused by the malfunction.

This is unlike the situation in, let's say, a 737 where the flight computer malfunctions, shows false readings, the pilot reasonably relies upon it and then crashes because of it.



Read earlier in the thread. It can be argued it was not a malfunction, but acted exactly how the code was programmed to run the game. Certainly the $42M was not an intended outcome from the programmers or game developer, but that's not necessary. A programming error is a human error, not a malfunction. (Although, I'm not sure how malfunction is defined.)

Like I said earlier, just because the highest payout listed may be $6500, that doesn't mean the max payout is necessarily $6500, due to bonus rounds. $6500 would represent a maximum payout on a single line, not a single wager. If it's a single line game without bonus rounds, like a double diamond mechanical reel, then that's different, since the top payout is the maximum payout for a single wager. But considering it says she won $2.25 or something, I'm thinking it's a video reel with multiple lines and bonus rounds.
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November 4th, 2016 at 9:56:49 AM permalink
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Wouldn't the argument be that it wasn't supposed to let her bet more than her balance though, in order to get the wrap around effect? Wouldn't that be the malfunction?



Yes, of course. If I were on a jury I would easily take the casino's side. However, a jury might not be people like me. They might be people seeing a struggling single mom vs. a greedy casino or slot machine maker worth hundreds of millions. Such a case may not be decided on facts but in the jury selection. That is why I think whoever she sues will be nervous and settle.



Even more than that, it is going to cost a non-zero amount of money and time for the casino to defend the case, so they may settle for some amount less than they think they could end up paying in fees. You also mention the jury, so there is a bit of an unknown when it comes to what the jury pool would look like. Quite possible the casino settles for some amount more than a steak dinner...at least it's a known amount.
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November 4th, 2016 at 9:58:39 AM permalink
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Wouldn't the argument be that it wasn't supposed to let her bet more than her balance though, in order to get the wrap around effect? Wouldn't that be the malfunction?



Point and counterpoint. Perhaps that particular game does allow it although i dont think so

There r some machines that allow a wager at the last amount bet when u cash out with less than that wager still in the machine. So lets say u bet $2 and after that win have $1 in the slot u get the option of wagering $1 at the $2 level or cashing out



Are you talking about machines with the, 'Wager Saver,' feature? Those are totally different, there is some wheel that comes up with the green portion (play again) representative more-or-less (possibly exactly) of the amount of money you have relative to the desired bet. If it lands in the green, you get another spin at the original bet level, if it lands in the white, you have 0 credits.
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November 4th, 2016 at 11:18:08 AM permalink
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If people are rich and do not have to work they are never referred to as "unemployed."


I am not "rich," but I do frequently refer to myself as being "delightfully unemployed," as a reference to being retired and not choosing to work for any income.
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November 4th, 2016 at 3:44:48 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Under what legal theory?

Clearly there is no contractual breach: the machine clearly stated that a malfunction voids all pays, and the stated pay table shows the highest possible payout: 6500.

Nor is there a tort claim; inter alia I see no damages to her caused by the malfunction.

This is unlike the situation in, let's say, a 737 where the flight computer malfunctions, shows false readings, the pilot reasonably relies upon it and then crashes because of it.

Let's not compare gambling and casinos to anything else. It's not like anything else. They are designed to do nothing but take money from people, now under the guise of entertainment.

There's emotional damage IMO.

They should have to operate at a much higher standard. They should be punished for this to help insure it doesn't keep happening for whatever reason. IMO People unknowingly get cheated hundreds of thousands per year from underpaying machines. They originally claimed people were mistaking. A lady was getting cheated often enough that she filmed it. Others noticed the same thing. What happened when she showed them the video? They yelled at her saying, she can't do that. They claimed it wasn't anything to worry about.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 9th, 2016 at 5:43:12 AM permalink
They should just pay the woman the $6500. People are dropping $10,000 bets constantly. They will have gotten back that $6500 and more with a single $10,000 bet.
Guy "won" less than his bet and the slot machine had the audacity to tell him he got a big win! SMH! Also, the Nintendo cartridge is so much more important than the Nintendo console. Without the cartridge, the Nintendo console is just a useless box.
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November 9th, 2016 at 7:48:34 AM permalink
Ah, but it's "the principle of the thing."

Even rich guys will bend over to pick up a penny off the sidewalk.
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November 9th, 2016 at 8:16:21 AM permalink
All I can think of is that there is a single mother of four on public support putting money into a slot machine. I hope President Trump outlaws this!
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November 9th, 2016 at 11:53:34 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

They should just pay the woman the $6500. People are dropping $10,000 bets constantly. They will have gotten back that $6500 and more with a single $10,000 bet.



Nobody is dropping $10,000 a bet at this place. It's a racing with fake table e games and video lottery machines.
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November 9th, 2016 at 12:06:10 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Nobody is dropping $10,000 a bet at this place. It's a racing with fake table e games and video lottery machines.



Correct, but I think it's one the highest grossing casino/racinos in the country. The net win was $69.7M last month over 5548 machines. $6500 is 5 minutes of profit for them. They can afford it if they felt like it. It is probably worth more than $6500 in PR value. A steak dinner was a joke.

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