BJ4me
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June 12th, 2016 at 6:18:34 AM permalink
At least you were honest about it . It aint no big deal to be wrong ( except when your wife points every time since marital inception)

You were looking for an angle .... that's what GOOD gamblers do , a way to reduce house edge . Keep on keepin on !
darkoz
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June 12th, 2016 at 6:24:58 AM permalink
Since there seems to be the interest, I videotaped (is that even correct since we use digital files today) 3 games I was certain the images stopped precisely when I hit the button.

I would time the button depression after the first reel stopped on its own (of a five reel machine) so that the second and third reels may have been affected or stopped on its own (they stop so fast) but the fourth and fifth reels would clearly be seen to have been interrupted in their spin.

By showing the images of the 4th and 5th spin did not change as they were coming down, that would prove that the spin could be affected by the stop (that is the symbol if predetermined could not have been on-screen every single time I stopped early as the RNG would have no knowledge of when I was going to stop the spinning symbols and the first reel would have already landed upon its "predetermined outcome") thereby proving that the win or loss would be affected.

However upon a frame by frame analysis, I saw the symbols on the fourth and fifth reels actually morph. It was a damn good illusion. At regular speed it looks like I caught the symbols I was attempting to catch. Once I saw the symbols morph that made it clear they were changing to match the predetermined outcome of the RNG.

I'm certain I'm not the first scientist (and I use the term scientist loosely here) who has had his intended claims rebuffed by the evidence.

Perhaps I can get an article in Scientific American or something.
AxelWolf
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June 12th, 2016 at 8:55:14 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Since there seems to be the interest, I videotaped (is that even correct since we use digital files today) 3 games I was certain the images stopped precisely when I hit the button.

I would time the button depression after the first reel stopped on its own (of a five reel machine) so that the second and third reels may have been affected or stopped on its own (they stop so fast) but the fourth and fifth reels would clearly be seen to have been interrupted in their spin.

By showing the images of the 4th and 5th spin did not change as they were coming down, that would prove that the spin could be affected by the stop (that is the symbol if predetermined could not have been on-screen every single time I stopped early as the RNG would have no knowledge of when I was going to stop the spinning symbols and the first reel would have already landed upon its "predetermined outcome") thereby proving that the win or loss would be affected.

However upon a frame by frame analysis, I saw the symbols on the fourth and fifth reels actually morph. It was a damn good illusion. At regular speed it looks like I caught the symbols I was attempting to catch. Once I saw the symbols morph that made it clear they were changing to match the predetermined outcome of the RNG.

I'm certain I'm not the first scientist (and I use the term scientist loosely here) who has had his intended claims rebuffed by the evidence.

Perhaps I can get an article in Scientific American or something.

Case closed on that one.

Let's move on to the other slot you mentioned where the bonus round is predictable but can't be taken advantage of. I have a feeling "his (your)intended claims will be rebuffed by the evidence." on that as well.

My theory is.... either they are not predictable, or they can, and there's a way to exploit the situation.

There's certain machines that the bonus round CAN be predictable but I assure you they can be beaten.

BTW Did you ever get to the bottom of that slot machine freezing glitch situation?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
darkoz
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June 12th, 2016 at 11:53:01 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Case closed on that one.

Let's move on to the other slot you mentioned where the bonus round is predictable but can't be taken advantage of. I have a feeling "his (your)intended claims will be rebuffed by the evidence." on that as well.

My theory is.... either they are not predictable, or they can, and there's a way to exploit the situation.

There's certain machines that the bonus round CAN be predictable but I assure you they can be beaten.

BTW Did you ever get to the bottom of that slot machine freezing glitch situation?



To answer the first, I am not sure how I could go about proving or disproving the bonus round predictions without thousands of man-hours. The other issue was a simple method of video'ing ten minutes of spins.

As for the second issue, I took your explanation about the glitch as the most sensible. That a central server was causing the glitch and it would hit different machines, if I understood your hypothesis correctly. But I haven't done any further research into it.
AxelWolf
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June 13th, 2016 at 12:12:32 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

To answer the first, I am not sure how I could go about proving or disproving the bonus round predictions without thousands of man-hours. The other issue was a simple method of video'ing ten minutes of spins.

As for the second issue, I took your explanation about the glitch as the most sensible. That a central server was causing the glitch and it would hit different machines, if I understood your hypothesis correctly. But I haven't done any further research into it.

if it takes thousands of man hours how the hell did you figure it out in the first place? That seems extreme.

If it's not AP'able then just post up the name of the machine or send a PM and I'll look at it. There could be a simple explanation as to why It seems predictable as there has been in the other 2 cases. I'm trying to think of a situation that would have a predictable Bonus round and it wouldn't be exploitable. I can't really think of one without coming up with some wild stuff that they probably don't even have.

As for my theory about the machine that freezes, you would have to figure out if they even have a central server.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
darkoz
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June 13th, 2016 at 12:42:59 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

if it takes thousands of man hours how the hell did you figure it out in the first place? That seems extreme.

If it's not AP'able then just post up the name of the machine or send a PM and I'll look at it. There could be a simple explanation as to why It seems predictable as there has been in the other 2 cases. I'm trying to think of a situation that would have a predictable Bonus round and it wouldn't be exploitable. I can't really think of one without coming up with some wild stuff that they probably don't even have.

As for my theory about the machine that freezes, you would have to figure out if they even have a central server.



I have played the machine for thousands of man hours but the original intention was not to exploit the game. I was playing for extended periods of time, months, and it became more and more obvious to me. Any attempt to prove it would require a large data set as simply predicting a bonus round was coming a few times could be explained as getting lucky. I would have to do it repeatedly over thousands of spins. It isn't an exact science as I mentioned previously.

Aside from curiosity, I am not that interested in following up on the central server issue. I have a busy schedule (even my off time is busy, got to keep up with family and the latest movies). Your explanation makes more sense than switching chips from one machine to the other.
RogerKint
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June 13th, 2016 at 1:31:56 AM permalink
This sounds like the 6 reel G deluxe machines like Dean Martin's Vegas Shindig. They'll hesitate, as the spin button is pressed, if there's a bonus round/scare or big win coming.
Wizardofnothing
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June 13th, 2016 at 3:23:28 AM permalink
Thats true on a lot of games but doesn't help much as the bet is already made
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DRich
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June 13th, 2016 at 7:45:27 AM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

This sounds like the 6 reel G deluxe machines like Dean Martin's Vegas Shindig. They'll hesitate, as the spin button is pressed, if there's a bonus round/scare or big win coming.



The Ace Invaders game on the IGT platform has a noticeable delay after hitting the draw button if you are going to get a bunch of Aces. The longer the pause the more Aces coming. It is very noticeable if you play it a lot and actually add somes excitement and anticipation.
rsactuary
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June 13th, 2016 at 7:52:02 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Since there seems to be the interest, I videotaped (is that even correct since we use digital files today) 3 games I was certain the images stopped precisely when I hit the button.

I would time the button depression after the first reel stopped on its own (of a five reel machine) so that the second and third reels may have been affected or stopped on its own (they stop so fast) but the fourth and fifth reels would clearly be seen to have been interrupted in their spin.

By showing the images of the 4th and 5th spin did not change as they were coming down, that would prove that the spin could be affected by the stop (that is the symbol if predetermined could not have been on-screen every single time I stopped early as the RNG would have no knowledge of when I was going to stop the spinning symbols and the first reel would have already landed upon its "predetermined outcome") thereby proving that the win or loss would be affected.

However upon a frame by frame analysis, I saw the symbols on the fourth and fifth reels actually morph. It was a damn good illusion. At regular speed it looks like I caught the symbols I was attempting to catch. Once I saw the symbols morph that made it clear they were changing to match the predetermined outcome of the RNG.

I'm certain I'm not the first scientist (and I use the term scientist loosely here) who has had his intended claims rebuffed by the evidence.

Perhaps I can get an article in Scientific American or something.



Props to you on admitting you were wrong. That doesn't happen much on the internet.

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