New Game at Turning Stone Casino in NY
February 16th, 2012 at 7:26:46 AM
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If the dealer rolls a 12, it is an automatic push. This would make it seem like a big player advantage, but of course the game still would have a high house edge. Simple, plus the good feeling that when the dealer rolls the BEST number the player does not lose.
I was at Turning Stone a few months ago. Early morning there was no pai gow poker except in the high rollers area. I figured I would at least watch for a bit, but when I found out that $25 was the minimum in their 'high roller area' I played for a while. I won't describe what happened because Dan would get mad at me.
I was there midweek, but there were countless tables of all types staffed with dealers with no players at all.
I was at Turning Stone a few months ago. Early morning there was no pai gow poker except in the high rollers area. I figured I would at least watch for a bit, but when I found out that $25 was the minimum in their 'high roller area' I played for a while. I won't describe what happened because Dan would get mad at me.
I was there midweek, but there were countless tables of all types staffed with dealers with no players at all.
February 16th, 2012 at 7:30:22 AM
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Nope.Quote: SOOPOOIf the dealer rolls a 12, it is an automatic push.
It's an automatic LOSS....unless the dealers were making mistakes (or the TS website is wrong).
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February 16th, 2012 at 7:45:42 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearNope.
It's an automatic LOSS....unless the dealers were making mistakes (or the TS website is wrong).
Yes, it's an automatic loss.
February 16th, 2012 at 7:50:03 AM
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Quote: WongBoI was stunned by the popularity of this game when I first visited Turning Stone.
I'm puzzled, too.
I understand making bad bets for a potentially high payoff. Things like the Six Card Bonus, Fire Bet, Slots, Lotto, etc. But making bad bets for even money is ridiculous.
No side bets at all? not even a simple "beat the dealer 3 times and get paid 3 for 1?" Nothing?
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
February 16th, 2012 at 7:59:31 AM
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Quote: NareedI'm puzzled, too.
I understand making bad bets for a potentially high payoff. Things like the Six Card Bonus, Fire Bet, Slots, Lotto, etc. But making bad bets for even money is ridiculous.
No side bets at all? not even a simple "beat the dealer 3 times and get paid 3 for 1?" Nothing?
Nothing at all. At times the table is so busy that they have 2 dealers on the table, one to spin the dice and set the puck and push the dice to the player and another to handle all payouts and losing bets. I've been to the casino probably 5 times since the game was introduced, and I don't think I've ever seen less than half a dozen players at any given time. One Friday night the table was so packed that you couldn't even get close enough to the table to see what was going on or place a bet. The $5 craps table next to it had 3 or 4 players.
February 16th, 2012 at 8:07:40 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearNope.
It's an automatic LOSS....unless the dealers were making mistakes (or the TS website is wrong).
My post was to show a rule change that would make it attractive to the public at a more reasonable house advantage. I KNOW what the rule is now. You have to read the rest of my post... it explains WHY it would be a good rule change.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:08:29 AM
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Quote: WizardHere is my new page on Beat the Dealer.
I welcome all comments and corrections.
You have a chart comparing it to other even money
casino games. You left out Casino War, isn't that
an even money game, it pays 1/1.
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February 16th, 2012 at 12:20:12 PM
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An easy rule change is if the player throws a double then they can't lose, but can win. This makes it about 2.24% - not bad really and also still gives a chance (of 1 in 6) of beating a dealer 12. It also means there's always something to "go for" from the player's point of view.
As an aside, option that player loses half is a bit of a pain for the dealer and also the house has to have £2.50 chips.
As an aside, option that player loses half is a bit of a pain for the dealer and also the house has to have £2.50 chips.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:30:26 PM
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I'm pretty sure War was omitted because the edge varies depending on rules and number of decks.Quote: EvenBobYou have a chart comparing it to other even money
casino games. You left out Casino War, isn't that
an even money game, it pays 1/1.
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February 16th, 2012 at 12:33:51 PM
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But its still 1/1, the dealer only pays you what you bet
on a win. You can choose not to make the side bets.
on a win. You can choose not to make the side bets.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 16th, 2012 at 3:27:27 PM
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I thought about Casino War. I can still be swayed but what made me decide against listing it was that the player can lose 2 units, and some rule variants about what happens with a tie after a tie.
Furthermore, if I add War, why not Pai Gow Poker and Pai Gow. Those are almost even money games.
Furthermore, if I add War, why not Pai Gow Poker and Pai Gow. Those are almost even money games.
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February 16th, 2012 at 3:31:58 PM
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War really isn't, now that I think about it. It should only
be called even money if you can bet on both sides and in War
there's no way to bet on the dealers side.
be called even money if you can bet on both sides and in War
there's no way to bet on the dealers side.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 16th, 2012 at 3:41:07 PM
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New twist Alert on this game:
There seems to be a new version of the game where:
1. A come-out dealer's roll of 2, 3, or 12 the players lose.
2. A come-out dealer's roll of 7 or 11 the players win.
3. A player's roll that wins with a double (beats the dealer's point) pays 3:1.
See: Jackpot productions and Talent Network.
Who distributes this game? Jackpot productions, or Talent Network?
I believe this is the patent #5,556,101 "Beat The Dealer" dice game. With a filing date of 5/16/1995, the invetor has three months before it becomes public domain, if 17 years, - or 3 years, if a 20-year patent ownership. It just goes to show how loooong it can take to get a game installed live....
There seems to be a new version of the game where:
1. A come-out dealer's roll of 2, 3, or 12 the players lose.
2. A come-out dealer's roll of 7 or 11 the players win.
3. A player's roll that wins with a double (beats the dealer's point) pays 3:1.
See: Jackpot productions and Talent Network.
Who distributes this game? Jackpot productions, or Talent Network?
I believe this is the patent #5,556,101 "Beat The Dealer" dice game. With a filing date of 5/16/1995, the invetor has three months before it becomes public domain, if 17 years, - or 3 years, if a 20-year patent ownership. It just goes to show how loooong it can take to get a game installed live....
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February 16th, 2012 at 4:18:46 PM
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Quote: PaigowdanI believe this is the patent #5,556,101 "Beat The Dealer" dice game. With a filing date of 5/16/1995, the invetor has three months before it becomes public domain, if 17 years, - or 3 years, if a 20-year patent ownership. It just goes to show how loooong it can take to get a game installed live....
That patent requires two different betting options. I'm pretty sure the version at Turning Stone only has one available bet. So did the original version of "Beat The Dealer", by the way.
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February 16th, 2012 at 6:30:28 PM
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Quote: winmonkeyspit3Game is called Beat the Dealer. Very simply the dealer rolls two die in a box (Sic Bo style), setting the point. The player then rolls the two die craps style, and if the player's roll beats the dealers roll, all bets are paid even money. Ties go to the dealer. Game has a very high house edge, but has been extremely popular so far. The table is a craps box with a different felt, and every time I have been to this casino the table was been very full. Minimum bet is $1, max is $100.
Are you allowed to dice set to decrease the HA???
February 16th, 2012 at 6:38:30 PM
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"There is a great disturbance in the Force."
After looking at this game. It *IS* greedy. 2 should be a winner, 12 a loser, and push for 6-7-8 ties. Since dice rolls are moot upon any 2/12 the calculations differ slightly with a reduced, yet advantageous House Edge.
After looking at this game. It *IS* greedy. 2 should be a winner, 12 a loser, and push for 6-7-8 ties. Since dice rolls are moot upon any 2/12 the calculations differ slightly with a reduced, yet advantageous House Edge.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
February 16th, 2012 at 7:26:53 PM
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Quote: AsswhoopermcdaddyAre you allowed to dice set to decrease the HA???
Good luck overcoming that edge. It would probably be a lot easier though because there is no box-man, I don't think I've seen the dealer call no roll as long as they tossed the dice in the opposite direction. Then again I've rarely seen more than a couple red chips wagered per hand (Thank God), so it would probably look suspicious if someone was betting the max and winning consistently. I wonder if someone could roll a 6 with say 75-80% accuracy (or better) if it could become an AP?
February 16th, 2012 at 8:26:30 PM
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Quote: winmonkeyspit3I wonder if someone could roll a 6 with say 75-80% accuracy (or better) if it could become an AP?
Yeah, but if you can roll a 6 with 75% accuracy you've got a triple-digit advantage on the pass and place-6 bets, so why bother with this game?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
February 16th, 2012 at 8:27:47 PM
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Quote: PaigowdanNew twist Alert on this game:
There seems to be a new version of the game where:
1. A come-out dealer's roll of 2, 3, or 12 the players lose.
2. A come-out dealer's roll of 7 or 11 the players win.
I almost took it for sarcasm.
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February 16th, 2012 at 9:13:37 PM
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Quote: MathExtremistYeah, but if you can roll a 6 with 75% accuracy you've got a triple-digit advantage on the pass and place-6 bets, so why bother with this game?
Because it would be so less likely that you would be discovered given that there is no floorman in the box. You have a lot more slack with short throws and tosses. Never seen a floor supervisor watching the game, only a dealer who is so overwhelmed with all of the white and red chips on the table and trying to figure out who they belong to.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:53:44 AM
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Quote: WongBoThe single zero wheels often are not on the main floor and will usually have higher limits.
A few years ago I stopped by Grand Casino in Tunica (I think it's now Harrah's Tunica). They had a single zero and double zero wheels in the same pit, side by side, low limits. On a Saturday night the single zero wheel had one player. The American double zero wheel was a full table. I looked at the pit critter between the tables and said something to the effect don't they realize that's half the house edge? He answered, we offer them the choice.
I also remember having a sit down discussion with Jimmie Wike a decade ago when he was the table games manager at LV Hilton. He had a sign on every BJ table that surrender was available. I asked him if he knew that rule helped the player, and he acknowledge that was true for good players. He also stated that once bad players found out what it was, they abused it and used it all the time. Thus the signs on every table. He said their hold went up and they made more money with that player friendly rule. Give someone a rope and some will make a noose for themselves.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:57:43 AM
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fulkgl -
For someone who has been around and hardly ever posts, there a LOT of info and wisdom in that post.
You're basically saying that for every good player that bemoans the dissapearance of good games, there are a hundred bad players that will play anything, and play it badly.
For someone who has been around and hardly ever posts, there a LOT of info and wisdom in that post.
You're basically saying that for every good player that bemoans the dissapearance of good games, there are a hundred bad players that will play anything, and play it badly.
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February 17th, 2012 at 2:02:57 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearfulkgl -
For someone who has been around and hardly ever posts, there a LOT of info and wisdom in that post.
You're basically saying that for every good player that bemoans the dissapearance of good games, there are a hundred bad players that will play anything, and play it badly.
It's so true, most people that walk in a casino have no idea (or just don't care) about the odds. Why do you think casinos typically do 2/3rds of their revenue on slot machines? I remarked to a suit once how bad the blackjack players were at that particular casino, his reply, "If it weren't for all of them I wouldn't have my job"
February 19th, 2012 at 5:09:48 PM
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Quote:Nope, as of my last visit in December there were no bonus bets. Don't worry, the table is located right next to the Big 6 "Fruit Wheel" and "Money Wheel", Three Card Poker, Texas Holdem Stud Poker, Let em Ride, 4 Card Poker, Carribbean Stud Poker, Red Dog, and Sic Bo, so all of the suckers will have no problem getting their fix.
I couldn't find a "Texas Holdem Stud Poker" anywhere, but assuming you meant either Texas Hold'em Bonus or Ultimate Texas Hold'em, it has no business whatsoever being on that list, as the "element of risk" on those games is very low with optimal strategy. Nor does Four Card Poker.
For that matter, the Wheels really deserve their own spot; all other games (even Sic Bo) have bets in the 2-3% range.
And really, the derision against "suckers" is a bit misplaced IMO. Yes, a $1 bet on "Beat The Dealer" has the same house edge as a $10 bet on Craps. Which game should someone with $40 in their pocket play if they want to kill two hours in a casino and are happy leaving broke but are mortified at the thought of having nothing to do for 90 minutes, given the two table minimums?
February 19th, 2012 at 5:20:42 PM
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You make a good point.
The players of this game all seem to really love it.
They don't have to learn craps or pay the $10 minimum.
They get to throw the dice for a buck.
On the other hand, the Oneida Indian Nation could be a little more generous on the house edge.
The players of this game all seem to really love it.
They don't have to learn craps or pay the $10 minimum.
They get to throw the dice for a buck.
On the other hand, the Oneida Indian Nation could be a little more generous on the house edge.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 19th, 2012 at 5:32:49 PM
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Quote: CRMousseau...Yes, a $1 bet on "Beat The Dealer" has the same house edge as a $10 bet on Craps. Which game should someone with $40 in their pocket play if they want to kill two hours in a casino and are happy leaving broke but are mortified at the thought of having nothing to do for 90 minutes, given the two table minimums?
The house has to make the same dime as on a $10 crap table, given a table's real estate and dealer costs, but only for a buck. You want good rules/house edge? Play $25 BJ. Everyone who laments the gambling hall's fees never ran one.
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February 19th, 2012 at 7:47:07 PM
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Getting a $1 in Beat the dealer over 2 hours will probably yield about 200 rolls since the bet is very easy to pay off. At a win rate of .443673, the odds of coming out ahead over 200 rolls is about 4.73%. If I'm betting $1, over 200 rolls well I'll probably lose $22 or $23 dollars and 4.73% of the time, I'll break even or ahead.
Doing the same on the pass line over 2 hours (200 rolls) will yield 74 pass line bets. The odds of having 37 or more successes at a win rate of .492929, the odds of coming out ahead over 200 rolls is 40.59%. If I'm betting $10 per bet, I expect to lose $10, but 40.6% of the time, I'll break even. 31% of the time, I'll make $20.
So in craps, you have 8.31 times the probability of being ahead.
Doing the same on the pass line over 2 hours (200 rolls) will yield 74 pass line bets. The odds of having 37 or more successes at a win rate of .492929, the odds of coming out ahead over 200 rolls is 40.59%. If I'm betting $10 per bet, I expect to lose $10, but 40.6% of the time, I'll break even. 31% of the time, I'll make $20.
So in craps, you have 8.31 times the probability of being ahead.
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February 19th, 2012 at 11:06:15 PM
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Quote: CRMousseauQuote:Nope, as of my last visit in December there were no bonus bets. Don't worry, the table is located right next to the Big 6 "Fruit Wheel" and "Money Wheel", Three Card Poker, Texas Holdem Stud Poker, Let em Ride, 4 Card Poker, Carribbean Stud Poker, Red Dog, and Sic Bo, so all of the suckers will have no problem getting their fix.
I couldn't find a "Texas Holdem Stud Poker" anywhere, but assuming you meant either Texas Hold'em Bonus or Ultimate Texas Hold'em, it has no business whatsoever being on that list, as the "element of risk" on those games is very low with optimal strategy. Nor does Four Card Poker.
For that matter, the Wheels really deserve their own spot; all other games (even Sic Bo) have bets in the 2-3% range.
And really, the derision against "suckers" is a bit misplaced IMO. Yes, a $1 bet on "Beat The Dealer" has the same house edge as a $10 bet on Craps. Which game should someone with $40 in their pocket play if they want to kill two hours in a casino and are happy leaving broke but are mortified at the thought of having nothing to do for 90 minutes, given the two table minimums?
You're right, it's the Bonus Hold'em game, I stand corrected. With optimal strategy sic-bo has a relatively low house edge, but I have found that most people betting white look for the big payouts, which I consider sucker bets. If I had $40 in my pocket at Turning Stone I would play the $5 blackjack game which they typically have 3 tables of, even on busy Friday and Saturday nights. This game is in the .4x range for house edge, pretty generous for such low stakes.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:18:30 PM
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Turning Stone's BJ is ok.
3:2, S17, DAS, Split to 4, no RSA
I think its eight deck or is it CSM? I'm not sure about surrender either.
It's been a while since I was there.
I know they have a double deck game as well, but I think it has different rules and a higher minimum.
3:2, S17, DAS, Split to 4, no RSA
I think its eight deck or is it CSM? I'm not sure about surrender either.
It's been a while since I was there.
I know they have a double deck game as well, but I think it has different rules and a higher minimum.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:30:42 PM
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Quote: WongBoTurning Stone's BJ is ok.
3:2, S17, DAS, Split to 4, no RSA
I think its eight deck or is it CSM? I'm not sure about surrender either.
It's been a while since I was there.
I know they have a double deck game as well, but I think it has different rules and a higher minimum.
8 deck for the lower minimum tables, 6 deck in the high stakes pit (50 during the day, 100 at night). No surrender. Double deck is the same rules, but no DAS. They have it in the high stakes where you can DAS, but that is always a $100 table. Send me a message if you are ever in Upstate NY, i'd love to hit the tables with someone from the forum. I find the dealers to generally be very pleasant, I have about 10 or so that I am pretty friendly with and I normally seek out their tables as long as its only a 15 or 25.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:43:59 PM
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Not sure when I will be up that way but will let you know!
Late surrender only gives the player about .08% so it's not that big a loss.
DAS is worth about .12 or .13.%
So the $50 6D game is about 0.44% and the black chip DD game is at .20%...
Do you prefer BS or AP?
I would probably just hammer away at the 8 deck game.
Do you happen to know the min/max on the different games?
Late surrender only gives the player about .08% so it's not that big a loss.
DAS is worth about .12 or .13.%
So the $50 6D game is about 0.44% and the black chip DD game is at .20%...
Do you prefer BS or AP?
I would probably just hammer away at the 8 deck game.
Do you happen to know the min/max on the different games?
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 20th, 2012 at 1:01:05 AM
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Quote: WongBoNot sure when I will be up that way but will let you know!
Late surrender only gives the player about .08% so it's not that big a loss.
DAS is worth about .12 or .13.%
So the $50 6D game is about 0.44% and the black chip DD game is at .20%...
Do you prefer BS or AP?
I would probably just hammer away at the 8 deck game.
Do you happen to know the min/max on the different games?
I'm not sure which games you are looking for the min and max on, ill give you some and you can inquire if there are specific games you are looking at. I have been playing perfect BS for about a year now (I'm only 21 but I've been playing since I was 19). I have my own shoe and countless decks of cards, I've been working on counting a lot in my freetime both dealing to myself and reading books. I have yet to successfully AP at a casino, I can count my own 6 deck shoe in my dorm flawlessly while playing a couple hands, dealing, and paying out with my own chips. I've tried to count but I still get caught up in the atmosphere and tend to lose count, been working on it, time and experience is always the answer. For now I mostly play BS.
As far as the tables, for 8 deck: $5/$300, $15/$500, $25/$1000, don't know the limit on the high stakes tables, but with a BR of only a few thousand I'm not too worried about it. The Double Deck 25 has the same min/max as the 8 deck. Over the Summer they changed the 8 deck to 6 deck in one of the 4 pits, but I think this was just an experiment. Two pits are mostly hand shuffle, the rest are put through a shufflemaster device. Hope this helps!
February 20th, 2012 at 1:24:53 AM
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Thanks for the info. I am glad to hear you are working on your game.
Practice makes perfect. Even if you lose count, just start counting again.
Even if you aren't using the info you are developing the ability.
Don't ever let on to anyone that you are doing anything like that.
No matter how friendly you are with the dealers, just always maintain the amateur approach.
I've been playing for about 25 years and I still pretend to get confused about the hand signals or totaling my cards!
Hopefully I will be up there in the next few months, will definitely let you know.
Practice makes perfect. Even if you lose count, just start counting again.
Even if you aren't using the info you are developing the ability.
Don't ever let on to anyone that you are doing anything like that.
No matter how friendly you are with the dealers, just always maintain the amateur approach.
I've been playing for about 25 years and I still pretend to get confused about the hand signals or totaling my cards!
Hopefully I will be up there in the next few months, will definitely let you know.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 21st, 2012 at 7:07:16 AM
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Coming in a little late to the party, but over the weekend my school/church had a Mardi Gras fund raiser, including Blackjack and Beat the Dealer Tables.
At first, there was no one to staff Beat the Dealer, and I wasn't able to spare anyone from the Blackjack pit. I pleaded with the heads of the event to find a person or two to open the table. Finally, they grabbed some dice and a couple volunteers, and that table was PACKED for the rest of the night. It may have made more money that the 3 Blackjack tables I was overseeing.
We had a slightly different set of rules:
2 or 3: Players instantly win
11 or 12: House instantly wins
7: Double Down option
The Double Down option is exactly that. If the house rolls a 7, players may double their bet. I wasn't there to see it, but I can guarantee people "took advantage" of that and doubled.
I'll try to get the final figures from accounting later.
At first, there was no one to staff Beat the Dealer, and I wasn't able to spare anyone from the Blackjack pit. I pleaded with the heads of the event to find a person or two to open the table. Finally, they grabbed some dice and a couple volunteers, and that table was PACKED for the rest of the night. It may have made more money that the 3 Blackjack tables I was overseeing.
We had a slightly different set of rules:
2 or 3: Players instantly win
11 or 12: House instantly wins
7: Double Down option
The Double Down option is exactly that. If the house rolls a 7, players may double their bet. I wasn't there to see it, but I can guarantee people "took advantage" of that and doubled.
I'll try to get the final figures from accounting later.
-Dween!
February 21st, 2012 at 7:32:37 AM
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Quote: DweenComing in a little late to the party, but over the weekend my school/church had a Mardi Gras fund raiser, including Blackjack and Beat the Dealer Tables.
At first, there was no one to staff Beat the Dealer, and I wasn't able to spare anyone from the Blackjack pit. I pleaded with the heads of the event to find a person or two to open the table. Finally, they grabbed some dice and a couple volunteers, and that table was PACKED for the rest of the night. It may have made more money that the 3 Blackjack tables I was overseeing.
We had a slightly different set of rules:
2 or 3: Players instantly win
11 or 12: House instantly wins
7: Double Down option
The Double Down option is exactly that. If the house rolls a 7, players may double their bet. I wasn't there to see it, but I can guarantee people "took advantage" of that and doubled.
I'll try to get the final figures from accounting later.
Nice set of rules:
2 or 3: Players instantly win
11 or 12: House instantly wins
7: Double Down option
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February 26th, 2012 at 10:41:24 PM
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I've been to Turning Stone several times, and man, people sure do love Beat the Dealer. Just like with the money wheels and war, you're often gonna hear people going nuts over a Beat the Dealer victory, even if it's just for a buck or two. From across the room, you'd think someone had just made a point at the craps table. I can't lie; I've thrown a few dollars down for the hell of it.
As a side note: they just got rid of Red Dog/Acey Duecy.
As a side note: they just got rid of Red Dog/Acey Duecy.
February 27th, 2012 at 8:58:31 AM
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Any idea what they replaced Red Dog with? That was one of the first games I played in that casino.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:48:26 AM
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Nothing. They just shifted one of the 3-Card tables to that spot and put a blackjack table where that 3-Card table was at.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:28:26 AM
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They probably decided they will make more money off of blackjack even though the house edge is higher in red dog.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:32:25 AM
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Most people get bored with red dog a lot sooner than they do with blackjack.
It's harder to sustain an interested full table at red dog.
It's harder to sustain an interested full table at red dog.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 18th, 2014 at 12:00:39 AM
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Hate to bump this, but I was thinking of this game again for some reason and realized I never mentioned the table itself. It's a decent bit smaller than a standard craps table and it has a hard flat surface, not felt at all. When I played, I could "finesse" the dice and get a high number with a soft throw. Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about a person hypothetically being able to roll high numbers consistently. Seems a lot more possible for Beat The Dealer than with craps. I haven't been in upstate NY for awhile anyways, but it looks like they still have the game.
October 4th, 2020 at 6:58:05 AM
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Flash from the past! Was at Turning Stone last night as they opened the Beat The Dealer table. It was right next to a craps table I was watching. I new it was a bad bet but had never seen it played. Then I saw the house edge on Wizard!!! When I saw that it was just slightly less of a house edge than the Big 6 Wheel I had to chuckle.
But it seemed to be getting a lot of players. It appeared that most people thought it was like craps but without all the thinking! I'll stick to craps.
But it seemed to be getting a lot of players. It appeared that most people thought it was like craps but without all the thinking! I'll stick to craps.
