supermaxhd
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October 17th, 2016 at 1:27:34 PM permalink
Three people spin for $1 on the wheel for the price is right showcase showdown. Each took two spins to get exactly $1. What were the odds?
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October 17th, 2016 at 1:46:07 PM permalink
I'll take a crack at it.

If you want the odds of it being done in two spins for every player (No $1.00 spins), then...

Odds of missing the $1.00 on the first spin: 0.95
Odds of completing the $1.00 on the second spin: 0.05

0.95 x 0.05 = 0.0475

0.0475^3 = 0.0001071719


Should happen like that once every 9,330.8 Showcase Showdowns.

This is assuming truly random spins, and assumes the player will go for the $1.00 every time. The odds are actually less because if the first player spins a $0.65 or higher, that player is likely to not spin again.
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October 17th, 2016 at 3:19:17 PM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

I'll take a crack at it.

If you want the odds of it being done in two spins for every player (No $1.00 spins), then...

Odds of missing the $1.00 on the first spin: 0.95
Odds of completing the $1.00 on the second spin: 0.05

0.95 x 0.05 = 0.0475

0.0475^3 = 0.0001071719


Should happen like that once every 9,330.8 Showcase Showdowns.

This is assuming truly random spins, and assumes the player will go for the $1.00 every time. The odds are actually less because if the first player spins a $0.65 or higher, that player is likely to not spin again.



Is the .05 + .95 the only way to reach exactly $1?

Something else occurs to me--in this scenario, you would be more likely than usual to see a $1 total from the second and third players, because if they spun and got .95, they would spin again, knowing they would lose if they didn't, having seen the first player hit $1. Normally, if a player hits .95, they wouldn't spin a second time at all.
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October 17th, 2016 at 3:23:40 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

Quote: Deucekies

I'll take a crack at it.

If you want the odds of it being done in two spins for every player (No $1.00 spins), then...

Odds of missing the $1.00 on the first spin: 0.95
Odds of completing the $1.00 on the second spin: 0.05

0.95 x 0.05 = 0.0475

0.0475^3 = 0.0001071719


Should happen like that once every 9,330.8 Showcase Showdowns.

This is assuming truly random spins, and assumes the player will go for the $1.00 every time. The odds are actually less because if the first player spins a $0.65 or higher, that player is likely to not spin again.



Is the .05 + .95 the only way to reach exactly $1?



No. Those decimals are percentages.

Odds of missing the $1.00 on the first spin: 95%
Odds of completing the $1.00 on the second spin: 5%

95% x 5% = 4.75%

4.75%^3 = 0.01071719%
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October 17th, 2016 at 3:36:29 PM permalink
I think a better question is just "what is the probability of 3 players reaching exactly $1 in the showcase showdown?" This game just happened to have all 3 players spin twice.

First, let's assume that the first player will only spin again if their total is $0.65 or lower.

p(first player $1) = 0.05 (first spin) + 0.65*0.05 (two spins) = 0.0825
p(second player $1) = p(third player $1) = 0.05 + 0.95*0.05 = 0.0975

p(3 x $1) = 0.0825*0.0975^2 = 0.000784 ~= 1 in 1275
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October 17th, 2016 at 4:28:05 PM permalink
Thanks for the math. I saw that this happened and I was curious. I thought it may have been more rare than 1 in 1275.
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October 17th, 2016 at 5:03:56 PM permalink
Quote: supermaxhd

Thanks for the math. I saw that this happened and I was curious. I thought it may have been more rare than 1 in 1275.



At 240 episodes per year, it still only happens about once every 3 years.
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October 17th, 2016 at 5:56:53 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

At 240 episodes per year, it still only happens about once every 3 years.


240? Where do you get that from? I count 190 on this season's taping and airdate schedule. (It goes off the bottom of the page, but the last episode of the season is 6/22, except for the military special on 7/4 and a "back to school" episode sometime in August. There are 199 weekdays from 9/19/2016 to 6/22/2017, plus 7/4 and the August episode, minus pre-emptions on Thanksgiving and Inauguration Day, and repeats on the day after Thanksgiving, the four days after Cyber Monday, and the four days after Monday of the first week of the NCAA men's basketball tournament; 199 + 2 - 11 = 190.)
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October 17th, 2016 at 9:25:01 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

240? Where do you get that from? I count 190 on this season's taping and airdate schedule. (It goes off the bottom of the page, but the last episode of the season is 6/22, except for the military special on 7/4 and a "back to school" episode sometime in August. There are 199 weekdays from 9/19/2016 to 6/22/2017, plus 7/4 and the August episode, minus pre-emptions on Thanksgiving and Inauguration Day, and repeats on the day after Thanksgiving, the four days after Cyber Monday, and the four days after Monday of the first week of the NCAA men's basketball tournament; 199 + 2 - 11 = 190.)



I took someone else's answer on faith. So, it should happen about every 3.4 years.
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October 18th, 2016 at 7:45:20 AM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

At 240 episodes per year, it still only happens about once every 3 years.



My gut too is that it would be more rare than once every 3-5 years. In fact, I don't think I've EVER heard of it happening before.
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October 18th, 2016 at 7:51:50 AM permalink
Quote: rsactuary

My gut too is that it would be more rare than once every 3-5 years. In fact, I don't think I've EVER heard of it happening before.


Apparently, from the experts at golden-road.net, this is the third time it has happened; the first two were 9/27/1991 and 10/30/2003.
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October 18th, 2016 at 1:26:18 PM permalink
A thing to remember: It's contingent on that first player going for the dollar. All the times the first player spins a 95, 90, 85, 80, 75, 70, 65, or even a 60 sometimes, the player is not going to take their second spin. To really get the odds, you have to factor that in.
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October 18th, 2016 at 2:13:51 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

At 240 episodes per year, it still only happens about once every 3 years.

But the show's been airing for like 20 years and I thought they said this is the first time that's ever happened? Could we have a large enough sampling size to conclude the wheel is not random? Time to AP PIR! =D
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October 18th, 2016 at 2:24:10 PM permalink
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October 18th, 2016 at 3:28:20 PM permalink
My odds are based on optimal play from the first player, which doesn't always happen. I suspect that players may opt too often to stand on 60 or 65, which would make the odds slightly worse.

Given that there have been approximately 8000 episodes, and assuming that this has happened 3 times (according to a previous post), the odds of this occurring 3 or fewer times is about 1 in 670. So, there's not enough evidence to show there's a problem.
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October 18th, 2016 at 6:24:58 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

But the show's been airing for like 20 years and I thought they said this is the first time that's ever happened? Could we have a large enough sampling size to conclude the wheel is not random? Time to AP PIR! =D



They're wrong. This is the first time it's happened with three different two-spin combos, but a three-way tie on $1.00 has happened at least three times before.
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October 18th, 2016 at 7:38:37 PM permalink
Here's the video if anyone is interested.

https://youtu.be/Td09sxTCDAc
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October 18th, 2016 at 8:24:30 PM permalink
I think the odds of $1 get harder after the first contestant. The first contestant gets to spin in position of barely a complete turn of the wheel and contestants who follow have to spin the wheel a greater distance. I would rather spin the wheel 1.1 turns than 1.9, if you get my drift. Instead of finesse, you might have to put so much power on the wheel, you just hope it stops at the right place.
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