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Zcore13
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September 29th, 2019 at 5:11:50 PM permalink
Quote: SM777

Super 4 is a big step below the 21 + 3 progressive from Galaxy, and Blazing 7's from SG. AGS has work to do to find a better solution for BJ progressives.



They have some work to do to get some decent games and save their company. This one sucks, as do most of their games. And let's not forget their attempt to steal High Card Flush from Galaxy, which cost them heavily.


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UCivan
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September 29th, 2019 at 6:41:45 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

We just got this side bet at one of the two casinos I work at. What a terrible side bet! Terrible payout percentage. Terrible frequency, Terrible flow. Yuck!

Along with the bad game, they replaced side bets that were $1 or more with this one that's $5. It's mostly a locals casino, so the players are pissed off. And to top it off, they set the must hit portion of the progressive way too high at $1,000. Should have been set much lower for continuous pursuit of the must hit, rather than only when it her's in the $950+ range.


ZCore13

Wait! Mr. ZCore, aren't you the person responsible for bringing new table games and progressives? How did this terrible side bet get in on your watch?
Zcore13
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September 29th, 2019 at 7:11:47 PM permalink
Quote: UCivan

Wait! Mr. ZCore, aren't you the person responsible for bringing new table games and progressives? How did this terrible side bet get in on your watch?



It would have never happened under my watch. I left my previous Director position about 3 1/2 years ago. I'm a Pit Supervisor at my current one. No input in selecting games.


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September 30th, 2019 at 4:56:00 AM permalink
This is after less than about 10 hands playing their demo. I had blackjack three times within that time and the one was this win. I thought i had won the progressive at first but this is still a crazy win after 10 hands.

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October 8th, 2019 at 9:29:10 AM permalink
It is tough for me to understand how this game was introduced in CT at one of the big properties (Mohegan Sun?!?) with a 50 table install and zero history on whether it would work...and yet MS installed all the necessary equipment for a game with no track record. I understood it was doing well there on the East Coast.

I agree with ZCore...I think the game is not that good. But to be fair, I am not sure I like any of the existing BJ progressives. I question the theory that regular BJ players are interested in bringing a slot type event to their BJ experience. But the players in the industry are pumping them to clients, so it has to be working for some of them, right?

At a local property I have visited, Super 4 gets less than 10% participation which can't possibly be enough to cover the lease fee. Query for TG management, what is the hurdle for participation to make a BJ Progressive viable as I understand lease fees are in the $500-$700/table/month range? The good news with the Progressive is you know exactly what kind of play you are getting, so your aren't guessing when it comes to the question of whether it is working with your player clientele.
UCivan
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October 8th, 2019 at 9:44:39 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I think it's an excellent side bet and would give it a try at my place if everything fell together. I would however adjust the pay table to drop to the house edge to about 20-25%. Probably reducing the RF payouts and bumping up one of the lower level payments a little.


ZCore13

I'm a bit confused. Zcore liked this in 2015 and have a different take in 2019. (see quoted post in this same thread).

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