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January 24th, 2013 at 2:28:37 PM permalink
My new keno game is ready for you to test drive. I welcome all bug reports and other comments.
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January 24th, 2013 at 2:33:52 PM permalink
It seems to work fine but is very loud and I can't click on the sound icon to adjust. (I'm assuming that's the sound icon in the bottom left corner)
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January 24th, 2013 at 2:35:21 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

My new keno game is ready for you to test drive. I welcome all bug reports and other comments.



It works fine (so far). Is it possible to make the "way" bets, that I don't know how to bet, but always see on the posted big winning tickets?
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January 24th, 2013 at 2:36:04 PM permalink
I'm not crazy about the Xs on the picked numbers. It makes it look like those were the numbers that weren't picked. Why not just use a color circle like you do on the hits, but in a different color?
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January 24th, 2013 at 2:39:14 PM permalink
I'm in the middle of running a large number of "Autoplay" games.
-- Will I get a report of how each turned out?
-- is it possible to include an option to cut to the chase and see the outcome without sitting through the "ball selections"?
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January 24th, 2013 at 2:48:33 PM permalink
It's a good representation so far. My money disapeared and I never hit all the numbers I picked.
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January 24th, 2013 at 2:50:10 PM permalink
Josie wants to know how she can put a $5 bill in the computer, like she did on a demo slot machine at G2E. LOL
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January 24th, 2013 at 2:55:04 PM permalink
Dear god, how do people play this game/how is it still offered? Talk about slaughtering the sheep.

Oh wait, I just hit an 8-spot on a 15 number ticket! Never mind, Keno is awesome.
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January 24th, 2013 at 3:30:37 PM permalink
I would like a sound for any payoff.
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January 24th, 2013 at 3:38:23 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

I'm in the middle of running a large number of "Autoplay" games.
-- Will I get a report of how each turned out?
-- is it possible to include an option to cut to the chase and see the outcome without sitting through the "ball selections"?


Yeah, that would be cool. Also, while autoplaying, would be nice to have a counter of games played/games remaining.
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January 24th, 2013 at 3:43:53 PM permalink
I was in autoplay mode with the default stop on a win over $50 and the game continued to play more times than it stopped.

Is the casino credit feature on autoplay by design? It played out the 10 games and let my account go negative.
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January 24th, 2013 at 3:44:19 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

My new keno game is ready for you to test drive. I welcome all bug reports and other comments.



I'm trying it now, my productivity at work is sure to drop 100%.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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January 24th, 2013 at 4:01:56 PM permalink
So, 500 games of 8-spot at $1 each netted me a $902 profit. Keno is awesome!
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January 24th, 2013 at 4:33:04 PM permalink
I think it's a great Keno game, overall. If it were in the casino, I'd be a bit irritated that it plays so fast (without the ability to adjust the speed) at a 95% ER on a Pick-10, but since it's pretend money, that's fine.

I can't speak to the comment made about the sound, as this computer I am on right now has no speakers.
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January 24th, 2013 at 4:33:09 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

So, 500 games of 8-spot at $1 each netted me a $902 profit. Keno is awesome!


Yeah I had my bankroll up to more than $1000 (so $500 profit) but now I'm down to $300! Damn it!
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January 24th, 2013 at 4:38:58 PM permalink
I guess if I could suggest one change, it would be that every Keno game I have ever played is such that you can increase/decrease bets by one unit, so the 1-2-5-10 thing is a little bit unusual.
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January 24th, 2013 at 7:19:41 PM permalink
game worked well for me. i am so unlucky that in 50 games of 15-spot, the only prize i won was the $200 0-ball prize.

also, keno is one game i have never played in real life. i almost forgot it existed. i will have to buy a ticket the next time i find myself in the Taj. Oh wait, that will never happen.
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January 24th, 2013 at 7:38:28 PM permalink
Some constructive points:
1.) make the red X's Bolder
2.) allow a 2 second pause (randomized a bit) between autoplays.

I hit 8/15 twice got bold and put 505 games on a 7-spot... hit a 6/7 but wound up with a 446 balance (480-481 would be nominal)
when I hit the 6/7 my balance at that point was 489. So not too bad.

Very well done props to you/JB.

PS: running the 446 balance, Film after 11
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January 24th, 2013 at 11:45:30 PM permalink
Played 11-spot, got a 64.6% return for 500 games. I run good!
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January 25th, 2013 at 1:13:36 AM permalink
As long as we're making requestssuggestions, when the balance goes to zero a monkey should appear and scratch its head.

(just for amusement)
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January 25th, 2013 at 1:19:21 AM permalink
Quote: kenarman

Is the casino credit feature on autoplay by design? It played out the 10 games and let my account go negative.


Oops. I guess you could say it is by design (since that's what happens), but it is not by intention. Thanks for pointing it out; I'll fix it.

Someone mentioned that the sound icon doesn't work: note that all sounds are disabled in Internet Explorer because it's a lousy browser which doesn't play by the rules. In other up-to-date browsers you can disable or enable sounds by clicking on the speaker icon in the lower left. (When the red circle is there, sounds are disabled.)
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January 25th, 2013 at 3:24:51 AM permalink
I've not played keno for decades but was soon able to figure things out.

I'd of liked an indication of House Edge is X percent right on the screen.
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January 25th, 2013 at 5:08:46 AM permalink
Thanks for all the comments. I'm expecting to get some good sound effects soon. I too would like something for a win. A statistics page sounds good too.
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January 25th, 2013 at 9:15:22 PM permalink
Quote: JB

Oops. I guess you could say it is by design (since that's what happens), but it is not by intention. Thanks for pointing it out; I'll fix it.

Someone mentioned that the sound icon doesn't work: note that all sounds are disabled in Internet Explorer because it's a lousy browser which doesn't play by the rules. In other up-to-date browsers you can disable or enable sounds by clicking on the speaker icon in the lower left. (When the red circle is there, sounds are disabled.)



I'm glad it now plays any amount between 1-10 units, except I noticed something strange:

Ascending from 1: 1-2-3-5-6-8-9-10

Descending from 10: 10-9-7-6-4-3-2-1

So you can play any amount, but it misses 4 and 7 on the way up, and 8 and 5 on the way down.

EDIT: Never mind, must have been something funky on my end because it's working fine, now! Great game!
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January 31st, 2013 at 5:54:31 PM permalink
The game plays well. I had a question about the pay table. If you are duplicating the live game then they are okay because they vary so much from casino to casino and they are horrendous as you have shown. If you were duplicating a video keno game then they are much to low. The video keno pay tables are much better except at the Ceasars propertiues in AC. The only decent one you can find there is in the Gamemaker machines and I have only seen them at the Showboat.
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January 31st, 2013 at 8:06:22 PM permalink
Quote: MrRalph

If you were duplicating a video keno game then they are much to low. The video keno pay tables are much better except at the Ceasars propertiues in AC. The only decent one you can find there is in the Gamemaker machines and I have only seen them at the Showboat.



Wait a minute...hold on...wait...

Are you saying that a 95% ER on a Pick-10 Video Keno game is, "Much too low?"

If you will tell me where a better Video Keno game (absent a Progressive) can be found from an ER standpoint, you will be my best friend.
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February 1st, 2013 at 12:32:17 PM permalink
Hey Maybe I am looking at the overall payoff improperly I am not a math guy ) but I usually play multi card and 4 card on the Game king machines. The top payouts for a 7 of 7 is 7000 and 6 of 7 is 400. I did not look at them all. I know an 8 of 8 is 10,000 and a 7 of 8 is 1650 8 of 9 is 4700 and a 9 of 9 is 10,000. I think part of the 95% must be built into the top jackpots which are very hard to hit. I usually look for 7 of 7 when I play or 7 of 8 hoping for 8 of 8. On the 9 and 10 spots I have only ever hit 8 0f 9 and 8 of 10 so those are the payouts I think I have a realistic chance of hitting. I guess it is just different than what I am use to seeing. The 6 spot is very close but the game king 5 of 5 pays 800. If the overall payback is 95% but it is top heavy, than yes this would be a good video keno game. I just find it different than what I normally play. I have always found the 7 spot my favorite as I have hit quite a few 7 of 7's. The odds are only 1/41,000 same as a royal flush. But on quater machines a royal only pays $1000 for a $1.25 bet. The 7 spot pays $1750 for 25 cent bet.
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February 1st, 2013 at 12:36:38 PM permalink
I agree. The best keno games we install on our routes is 92%.
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February 1st, 2013 at 12:38:26 PM permalink
Quote: MrRalph

Hey Maybe I am looking at the overall payoff improperly but I usually play multi card and 4 card on the Game king machines. The top payouts for a 7 of 7 is 7000 and 6 of 7 is 400. I did not look at them all. I know an 8 of 8 is 10,000 and a 7 of 8 is 1650 8 of 9 is 4700 and a 9 of 9 is 10,000. I guess it is just different than what I am use to seeing.


Top payouts don't have as much of an impact as the lower ones, because the lower ones are more likely to occur. To compare two paytables you need to calculate the return, which you can do with the Wizard's keno calculator.
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February 1st, 2013 at 12:47:39 PM permalink
Yes, unfortunately the lower ones do occur more. But just as in video poker if you do not hit some of the biger ones or a 4 of a kind or royals that sesssion will be a bust.
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February 1st, 2013 at 3:04:37 PM permalink
Quote: MrRalph

Yes, unfortunately the lower ones do occur more. But just as in video poker if you do not hit some of the biger ones or a 4 of a kind or royals that sesssion will be a bust.



JFTR, even though you are now unsure, I wasn't doubting you. I'd have just felt kind of foolish for playing the VK games that I choose to play. I know I am at -ER (absent Progressives) but I play because I enjoy VK...and I typically play very little money.

The best way to look at the payout schedule is in terms of how many shots you want to get to hit 7/8 or 8/8 balls, or what have you. For example, if you have a Keno Game that returns the bet on a certain result, then that gives you time at machine.

For example, let's say that all VK games paid as close to 95% (but just under) as possible. I'm going to create a Pick-7 game where you only win if you Pick 7 and everything else is a loss. You get paid 38930-FOR-1 for Seven Hits. That's an ER of 0.949991506953532.

See, just to have a 50% chance of hitting it, though, would require:

(1-0.000024402556048)^28405 = 0.49999205931699686

So, that's 28,405 credits, whether it be quarters, dollars, whatever.

Your chances of hitting it, if you put in the amount to be won:

(1-0.000024402556048)^38930 = 0.386739825237404---1-0.386739825237404 = 0.613260174762596 or 61.326%

So you would have a 61.326% chance of that hitting if you ran through the amount to be won.

SUCKS!!!

A higher payout on the Top Pays does not always mean that the payouts are weighted heavily towards the higher payouts, but without knowing the specific probabilities, there's really no way to know. The cool thing about a Straight Keno game, or even the less complicated variations, is that it's not especially difficult to figure out what/where the ER is on the game. Is it top-heavy, bottom-heavy, moderate? That makes it really easy to pick a machine that suits your tastes.

However with a chance of hitting of:

(1-0.000024402556048)^50 = 0.9987806013816776---1-0.9987806013816776 = 0.0012193986183224314 or 1/0.0012193986183224314 or 1:820.08

Betting fifty total credits, I'd rather play just about anything else!

You could also have a Pick-10 Game where hits of anywhere from 3-10 credits all paid 2-FOR-1 for a 95.876% return.

Most people wouldn't play that one, either.
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February 1st, 2013 at 3:37:29 PM permalink
I much agree Mission, pay tables are an important factor in VK, as is the ramping of payouts. Some of the on-line pays are just ridiculous having a 4/4 pay LESS than a 3/3. Outside of the Wiz's published game (albeit free) most OLC's choose the packaged pay-tables that leave much to be desired to the extent of having 0.5 pays. There isn't a can of air-freshener big enuff. OTOH I don't think we will be seeing 10/10 pay 1/2million either, let alone 100K, as the OLC bottom line needs protection from variance.

One other point noted here is that Lounge keno usually offers wagers upto 15 spots with ways formation. VK is almost universally configured as 2 to 10 spots, with some offering 3 or 3.5 units return on a single spot. VK almost never adds ways due to programming complexities. If I might offer compromise to these opposing styles, it would be to limit the VK offering to 9 spots with various "House Ways" like 2-3-4 and 3x3, or Specials 2/2, 3/3, and 4/4. Have the 9-spot pay 100G's with a 95% pay.
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March 29th, 2013 at 6:52:12 PM permalink
I'm glad I wasn't at the casino for this one!

I just sat down and decided to play Wizard's Keno game for fun, and I proceeded to lose Fifty in a Row on a Pick-14. The probability of such is:

(0.068519123217540 + 0.176293994111795 + 0.259044236245903 + 0.242206360889919 + 0.151972618597597)^50

0.004620568285741666 or 1/0.004620568285741666 = 1 in 216.42

I'm going to see how much worse it gets just for fun...

Fifty is as bad as it gets, the next game was zero hits for a $100 win.
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March 29th, 2013 at 7:15:45 PM permalink
Autoplay still isn't working according to the parameters as I understand them. Betting $10 with defaults, hit 4/5 for $200 and game continues without stopping as it should. I think the game is only stopping after 10 draws and not the other conditions.
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March 29th, 2013 at 7:23:15 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Fifty is as bad as it gets, the next game was zero hits for a $100 win.



lol
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April 5th, 2013 at 10:16:55 AM permalink
I played almost one whole day at work with my free $500.
I quit after getting my 7th 6 out 7.
Total left in the game $11,610.

Things that don't feel right when playing.
Clear button & mouse clicking on the game board do the same thing.
No way to flip numbers from selected to unselected one at a time.
Repeat button should really be a rebet & play button.

One last thing, the autoplay does work perfectly IF you click on the red x and it changes to a green checkmark.








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