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October 5th, 2022 at 12:05:51 PM permalink
To paraphrase and to take advice from Arthur Weasley in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, I'd never play an online casino if I can't see where it keeps its brain.

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Where is teliot when you need him
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That's not a joke.
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October 5th, 2022 at 12:21:31 PM permalink
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Why rich people don't steal and do dishonorable things




Putin's net worth has been estimated at $70 billion - I've never read anything about him owning or running any business

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Russian political analyst Stanislav Belkovsky claimed in 2012 that the Russian leader had stakes in companies such as Surgutneftegas, Gazprom and Gunvor and, told the Bureau of Investigative Journalism that his true wealth was around $40 billion.
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October 5th, 2022 at 1:44:09 PM permalink
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"Why online casinos don't cheat" And in your second paragraph, you give an account of an online casino that does cheat.

With bated breath, I await your articles on: Why men don't cheat on their wives; Why tax-payers don't cheat; Why politicians don't lie; Why corruption doesn't exist; Why people don't use drugs and Why rich people don't steal and do dishonorable things ...

Bwwaaa Haaa haa.
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"Bwwaa Haaa haa" is an insulting taunt. You're mocking my claims by saying they're so stupid that you're openly laughing at them. I'll keep that in mind as I reply.


(1) You somehow failed to notice that the one example of a cheating casino I gave was OVER TWENTY YEARS AGO, and I gave it to one of the reasons WHY online cheating is so rare.

(2) You also fail to understand the concept of a GENERALIZATION. The statement "dogs are larger that cats" is true IN GENERAL, but not in every single case. Most people understand this. Likewise, when I linked to my article, I used the same shorthand, saying "why online casinos don't cheat", assuming my audience was smart enough to understand the generalization. I'm sorry I was wrong.

(3) Everything I said in my article is 100% true, and,

(4) You've provided absolutely no evidence to the contrary. "Bwwaa Haaa haa" is not evidence.

(5) Your only argument (devoid of actual evidence) is that my reasoning could be applied to cheating spouses and taxpayers, etc., is absurd for obvious reasons. (Well, obvious to people with minimal reasoning skills.) I could explain why the analogies are poor, but after your mocking me, I'm inclined to do, especially as you've made it clear that you're not capable of understanding the explanation (just that you're capable of laughing at it).
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October 5th, 2022 at 2:25:07 PM permalink
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To paraphrase and to take advice from Arthur Weasley in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, I'd never play an online casino if I can't see where it keeps its brain.

Gene
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To paraphrase AxelWolf.

"If you're an advantage player or someone who likes getting value, you're foolish to avoid playing online just because they might have some rigged software."

Find something that's more valuable that can overcome the possible rigged HA. Example %100 matching bonus with a 2x rollover. It would have to be horrendously rigged not to overcome that with a 100% bonus.

A rare extreme example nowadays, but there are situations that are almost as good.

Use rigged/bugged software to your advantage. I gave an example (screenshot above) of miss programmed, NOT RIGGED software. By all accounts and testing, the software was random. If you'll notice, It's $1 full pay duces wild.

It was shorting you 20 coins(max bet) on a very specific rare hand, however, a lowball natural straight flush was paying 4k. But, never mind all that, since they may notice the $3,955 overpay and simply adjust your account accordingly and as an AP/Value seeker, you are never going to inform them when shorted 20 coins(unless you're dumb ). They were also giving out very good bonuses.

So +EV off the top and good bonuses=Winning.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 5th, 2022 at 3:22:21 PM permalink
The stories I am seeing posted of casinos cheating seem to be 100% offshore casinos. This can be avoided by simply not playing at an unregulated casino. The same reason you should never play at Indian Casinos. Play at legit casinos and this can all be avoided (physically and online).
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October 5th, 2022 at 4:16:17 PM permalink
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I do agree that Bovada has a good reputation, I would absolutely play there. BetSoft And Nucleus is a major online software. To suggest online rigged software is RARE, is misleading.
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Hi AxelWolf. Your long post confused me
I'm trying to understand what you are getting at.

Bovada seemed to be caught using flawed Betsoft Software, back in 2016. They're two big and generally trusted suppliers, aren't they? And wasn't this more cockup than conspiracy?

Why do you suggest that "to suggest online rigged software is RARE, is misleading."
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"Why online casinos don't cheat" And in your second paragraph, you give an account of an online casino that does cheat.

With bated breath, I await your articles on: Why men don't cheat on their wives; Why tax-payers don't cheat; Why politicians don't lie; Why corruption doesn't exist; Why people don't use drugs and Why rich people don't steal and do dishonorable things ...

Bwwaaa Haaa haa.
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"Bwwaa Haaa haa" is an insulting taunt. You're mocking my claims by saying they're so stupid that you're openly laughing at them. I'll keep that in mind as I reply.


(1) You somehow failed to notice that the one example of a cheating casino I gave was OVER TWENTY YEARS AGO, and I gave it to one of the reasons WHY online cheating is so rare.

(2) You also fail to understand the concept of a GENERALIZATION. The statement "dogs are larger that cats" is true IN GENERAL, but not in every single case. Most people understand this. Likewise, when I linked to my article, I used the same shorthand, saying "why online casinos don't cheat", assuming my audience was smart enough to understand the generalization. I'm sorry I was wrong.

(3) Everything I said in my article is 100% true, and,

(4) You've provided absolutely no evidence to the contrary. "Bwwaa Haaa haa" is not evidence.

(5) Your only argument (devoid of actual evidence) is that my reasoning could be applied to cheating spouses and taxpayers, etc., is absurd for obvious reasons. (Well, obvious to people with minimal reasoning skills.) I could explain why the analogies are poor, but after your mocking me, I'm inclined to do, especially as you've made it clear that you're not capable of understanding the explanation (just that you're capable of laughing at it).
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Not sure what to make of this bizarre response.

One of your five reasons was that mathematicians monitor the sites and publicly expose the sites. But apparently this has happened once in the history of the earth, 20 years ago. Most mathematicians seek to find vulnerabilities and exploit them for profit, not get into great legal struggles like Mike did. No one is paying us to do that.
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2011 Full Tilt Poker scandal - they didn't keep funds in the players' accounts, rather they spent much of the funds themselves and were unable to reimburse all players funds. The FBI called it a Ponzi scheme. And they secretly rigged the software to enable one or more players to be able to see their opponent's cards, causing other players to sustain unfair losses totaling many millions of dollars. I imagine they were too busy rolling in money to think of your 5 reasons not to cheat.

2015 Fan Duels Insider scandal A Draft Kings employee took advantage of insider information on which players bettors were selecting, and then used this insider info to place bets on Fan Duels that won him $350,000 (because he had an information advantage over normal bettors). This had been going on for a while.

Asian issue - I may or may not have consulted on this but anyway can't release specific information. Basically, software employees on a chinese-language gambling site allegedly rigged the software on one game ( a very simple game involving a single wager) so that they could give their friends a significant advantage over the house. Allegedly, they attempted to cover this up by rigging the same game so that the general public would lose at a higher rate -so the overall revenue from the game would remain the same. However, their friends and co-conspirators allegedly went hog-wild which resulted in the gambling site owner sustaining unexpected losses, which led to a no-publicity private investigation. I know of no public info about this alleged incident.

And of course, when a gambling site in a third world country is faltering, perhaps because their graphics are no longer modern, they have the option of just running off with the money that their remaining clients have placed in their account. Like Full Tilt Poker did. Its just an exit strategy -how to exit the business.

You are writing about an industry that has a culture of denying everything, that settles lawsuits without admitting wrongdoing, and that covers up incidents (or downplays publicity of them) because they don't want their business to be hurt. So, of course there isn't a long list of casino cheating scandals that have been proven beyond a doubt in court. Therefore, as a whiz-bang journalist, you conclude that casinos don't cheat and concoct 5 irrelevant reasons.

There's astronomical money in the gambling industry. I mean, the amount of money sloshing around is astronomical. But in Malayasia or Nigeria or the Caribbean, the online casino employees and the employees of whatever the regulatory agency is, are usually making a subsistence living and live in a culture in which corruption is common. And these employees see all this astronomical money. So, things happen. Always have, always will. Of course, you can adopt a Mr. Rodgers tone and list 5 reasons why the CEO of Caesars doesn't make a decision to authorize rigging games across his corporation - but I believe that isn't how games come to be rigged. IMO you are doing a disservice to your readers by under-informing them of the documented history of casino cheating (as limited as it is) and ignoring the risk of rigged games arising from real-world corruption in regulation and operation of online gambling sites.

And I'm surprised when journalists are lazy and demand that people on social media sites prove their statements. Why don't you try researching the subject yourself?
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I do agree that Bovada has a good reputation, I would absolutely play there. BetSoft And Nucleus is a major online software. To suggest online rigged software is RARE, is misleading.
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Hi AxelWolf. Your long post confused me
I'm trying to understand what you are getting at.

Bovada seemed to be caught using flawed Betsoft Software, back in 2016. They're two big and generally trusted suppliers, aren't they? And wasn't this more cockup than conspiracy?

Why do you suggest that "to suggest online rigged software is RARE, is misleading."
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Because it's not rare and he couldn't possibly know that since there are over 10,000 online casinos. I would ask him just how many different online casinos he has played at. What makes him an authority/expert to claim online casino rigging is rare?

It's so funny that the casino he uses as an example of after talking about it being rare had rigged software (intentional or not).

All this is after a few minutes of research, It could go on forever.

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Not one word about what you yourself call "gaffed software".

I have been in touch with the investigating commissioner at the GRA. This is the concluding paragraph from the last e-mail I sent him:

"This business is dirty. There is no getting around that. Whatever you can do to help clean up the companies that produce rogue products or the casinos that offer these programs is paramount. Going after individual players is secondary. The rogues are still out there in a big way. Go after them!"
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Eliot Jacobson: "It is outrageous that Legends defends its use of the corrupt BLR casino software."
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/1399903-article-blr-casino-software-pittsburg-tribune-review.html

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In regard to this issue being played out at Casinomeister involving programmed cheating software being used at online casinos, I thought it would be easier for anyone who might be interested in what really is taking place, and might want to read what I thought were the most telling posts, without having to read through 650 posts.

There was a great deal of great posts by many other forum members but below summarizes in detail the chain of events, which by the way is not over yet.


Dec. 27, 2012
Katie91 joins Casinomeister and posts documented play logs of two games she played. Real Deal and Hi-Lo Gambler. Claims her brother is a mathematician and suspects rigged software. She states here “I have taken a screen recording of the entire play log directly from the website in case Betfred attempt to lock the account and deny these results are accurate.” Also requests here “I would invite others to analyze these results to confirm that these games are not fair and for Betfred to offer their logs for these two games to a third-party to analyze.” Provides URL’s to game logs.

Dec. 31, 2012
Eliot Jacobson president of Jacobson Gaming, analyzes play logs and reports how the tests were performed and his conclusion that the games are in fact rigged. Read: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-4.html#post530810

Jan. 01, 2013
Bedfred rep joins thread and makes this statement. Read: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-5.html#post530976

Jan. 01, 2013
Eliot Jacobson provides additional analyzes. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-6.html#post531027

Jan. 03, 2013
Eliot posts lack of communication and or response: Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-7.html#post531409

Jan. 04, 2013
Bedfred rep makes statement attempting to explain accusations. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-8.html#post531537

Jan. 04, 2013
Eliot Jacobson responds to Betfred’s lackadaisical explanation. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-8.html#post531552

Jan. 04, 2013
Eliot Jacobson details further. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-9.html#post531580

Forum member “thelawnet” posts evidence that free play plays differently then real play. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-13.html#post531776

Jan. 05, 2013
Katie91 “opening poster” requests additional 3 games to be analyzed she suspects also are cheating. Odd request since it indicates she knows more then first exposed. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-14.html#post531786

Jan. 05, 2013
Forum member “thelawnet” confirms additional games mentioned by Katie91 for review are in fact rigged. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-14.html#post531788

Jan. 05, 2013
Katie91 directs post to Bedfred asking why so many games are rigged. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-14.html#post531790

Jan. 06, 2013
Casinomeister makes first post and joins thread. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-15.html#post531936

Jan. 06, 2013
Eliot Jacobson expresses disgust with no response and drops out of investigation. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-15.html#post532011

Jan. 07, 2013
Casinomeister changes title of thread. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-20.html#post532216

Jan. 07, 2013
NodicBet joins thread stating internal investigation being preformed. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-20.html#post532218

Jan. 07, 2013
Betfred sticks their own foot up their ass with this explanation. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-21.html#post532256

Jan. 07, 2013
Forum member “thelawnet” is all over Betfred’s response. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-21.html#post532263

Jan. 07, 2013
Eliot Jacobson puts Betfred in their place after absurd response. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-21.html#post532267

Jan. 07, 2013
Bet365 contacts casinomeister and reports internal investigation in progress. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-22.html#post532300

Jan. 08, 2013
Betvictor rep. distances their casino from software provider. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-23.html#post532392

Jan. 08, 2013
Casinomeister posts UKGC’s response to issue. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-24.html#post532508

Jan. 10, 2013
Casinomeister attempts to clear Bet365. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-28.html#post532955

Jan 10, 2013
Eliot Jacobson corrects Casinomeister’s stupid attempt to clear Bet365. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-28.html#post533005

Jan. 11, 2013
Casinomeister posts Bet365’s full response. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-29.html#post533232

Jan 11, 2013
Eliot Jacobson requests additional information from Bet365. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-29.html#post533258

Jan 12, 2013
NordicBet confirms faulty software, reimburses all players, and removes all games from Finsoft. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-30.html#post533400

Jan. 14, 2013
Casinomeister thanks everyone for their efforts, declares no wrongdoing on the part of Betfred, Bet365, or NordicBet, puts them back on accredited list, with the hopes of everything said being accepted and hopefully forgotten about. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-33.html#post533815

Jan. 14, 2013
Casinomeister’s further attempt to whitewash issue and sweep under carpet. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-34.html#post533857

Jan 15, 2013
Casinomeister attempts further whitewash. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-37.html#post534117

Jan. 17, 2013
Katie91 (opening poster) declared reimbursement received from Betfred, along with thank you letter from Betfred for bringing the issue to their attention. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-42.html#post534666

Jan. 18, 2013
Forum member “pokeraddict” confirms Nevada G.C.B. was notified of thread since Lotttomatica Software Company, the parent company of all software providers named throughout the thread is suppose to go up against the board for approval of additional gaming software license. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-44.html#post534758

Jan. 23, 2013
After 5 days of over 100 posts looking for more answers and not satisfied with any of the explanations, Casinomeister reveals investigation is being done by the GRA. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-54.html#post536085

Jan. 23, 2013
ALERT-ALERT (cover-up begins) The GRA has notified Casinomeister of some breaking news. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-56.html#post536242

Jan. 23 2013
"binary" Executive at Galewind Software Corp. a highly reputable software provider smells a cover-up coming. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-56.html#post536257

Jan 23, 2013
Casinomeister temporarily locks thread pending further information. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-56.html#post536268

Jan. 24, 2013
Casinomeister reopens thread with breaking news. The opening poster is a fraud! Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-56.html#post536282

Jan. 24, 2013
Casinomeister is waiting for statement from opening poster. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-56.html#post536292

Jan 24, 2013
Not sure what Casinomeister is saying here. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-57.html#post536304

Jan. 24, 2013
Casinomeister explains to forum member, that if you suspect you’re being cheated, go to the people cheating you and ask them if they are. If they were they’ll give you your money back. No need to make the issue public using his forum. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-57.html#post536313

Jan. 24, 2013
Cover up thickens as opening poster is officially silenced. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-59.html#post536374

Jan. 24, 2013
Forum member “Balthazar” expresses concerns about Casinomeister’s actions. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-60.html#post536426

Jan. 24, 2013
Casinomeister responds allegedly showing concern still about software. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-60.html#post536431


Jan. 24, 2013
Forum members start pointing out suspicious chain of events. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-61.html#post536477

Jan. 24, 2013
Additional suspicions from "binary" Executive at Galewind Software Corp. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-61.html#post536484

Jan. 25, 2013
Casinomeister can no longer take the badgering from posters suspecting an obvious cover-up and decides to close the thread till further information is available. Read:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-issue-65.html#post536653


Personally, I’m convinced the opening post was an insider and aware of what was going on, and for whatever reason tried to expose them under his sisters name.
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October 6th, 2022 at 1:56:59 PM permalink
The above post by Axel is mindblowing. Best post of 2022, IMO


A good account of a online poker scandal, exposed in 2007, which involved the Absolute Poker site is found here

Absolute Poker Cheating Scandal

Basically, Absolute Poker created an administrative account that could log on as an observer in any game and that could see all the hole cards of all players. Employees would sit in the corporate office, use the administrative account and follow their associate around from table to table as he played in high-stakes cash games and notify him of all the hole cards of his opponents in every hand.

In cheating that began in about 2003, a separate poker site called UltimateBet employed the same technique so that employees could collaborate with a player and send him info on all the hole cards of his opponents to inform his decisions. Details are found here:
UltimateBet Cheating Scandal

These cheating scandals were completely independent of each other until Absolute Poker bought UltimateBet in late 2006.

Although this is online poker rather than online casino games, the principles are the same. Online gambling is simply software and the employees rigged the software so that they could collude with confederates to make large amounts of money from the gamblers using their site. I see no reason to believe that operators of casino sites behave more ethically than operators of online poker sites.

The only real barrier to this kind of behavior is regulation - but it can't be low-energy for-show regulation. It has to be vigorous regulation employing excellent systems and staff that can't be bought.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.

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