terapined
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September 27th, 2014 at 5:18:22 AM permalink
My biggest gripe with the online casino scene is they take the same edge as land based casinos while having minimal expence.
Take one of my favorite games, Pai Gow poker.
The commission is pretty big, 5 %
In a land based casino, its a big edge but I'm ok with it because I feel I get a lot.
I like to play at the Vegas Downtown D (checking in in 2 weeks) because I get a lot for the casino edge. Drinks (red bull), part pit dealer cleavage, party pit dancers, real cards, conversation with other players, high def tv to watch a football game , ect which adds up to fun. That's why I play.
Now the online casinos also charge 5% to play this game. I think its a total rip off.
To play a huge negative ev game online is ridiculous. Hardy any fun factors which a land casino provides.
Why not 1 per cent. Maybe even 1/2 a point edge.
Cmon, its only software, minimal expence.
"Everybody's bragging and drinking that wine, I can tell the Queen of Diamonds by the way she shines, Come to Daddy on an inside straight, I got no chance of losing this time" -Grateful Dead- "Loser"
Mission146
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September 27th, 2014 at 1:31:37 PM permalink
Quote: TruthYeller

No, No, and NO.... I just made this account after testing out Bovado... having seen that everyone is pumping it. How much are you are getting for an affiliate's cut, a few thousand? Freakin snakes - I'm here to expose you all.

Here's the deal OP... DO NOT fool around with ANY OF THE ONLINE CASINOS. They WILL cheat and take your $$$. As with the rest, it's same story... software behaves to certain conditions, using some really slick IF/THEN, and some other complicated decision logic. Good thing I'm a "dev".

I've taken about $2000 of my live casino winnings and wanted to test to see if I could slowly grind out a small daily profit online. Bovado was my "last stop." IT DOESN'T WORK PEOPLE! Especially if you're looking for a Craps game. Wizard of Vegas, and all these other guys put in a little time to whip up a PHP or Asp.Net, and justify that they're warning you of sites to steer clear of, and those that are friendly. I can guarantee you that from the advertisement they get, they're pulling in WAY MORE than you're losing.

Now that I know this... I'm not only gonna stick with live brick casinos, where you can't get ripped off... but I'm gonna blast these people like Wizard of Vegas and others, and jack up their $$$ money.... and put the real deal out there. Stay away from the online action people.



Do you have some sort of play log you can provide, or anything, or is this just an objection to losing? With all due respect, if I wanted to, "Grind out a small daily profit," playing a negative expectation game, such as Craps, would not be my strategy.
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FleaStiff
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September 27th, 2014 at 1:42:44 PM permalink
Quote: MangoJ

Is that before or after tips ?

I don't know if "tips" are all that significant. It is true that you do not tip at an online casino but for tips to be a factor ... wow.

Bricks and Mortar: tips, air fare or auto mileage or even shoe leather, ... online casinos avoid all of that but add in the mystery of who owns the casino and whether you will ever be able to take "paper winnings" and actually get paid.

I doubt tips are that big a factor though. It could be more of an emotional reaction. In which case, there is no argument at all that is meaningful. Its like someone who worships his car so much he doesn't want to let a valet drive it so he doesn't go anywhere.
FleaStiff
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September 27th, 2014 at 1:50:37 PM permalink
Precisely. The House Edge is nice figure to fling around but the casino has to deal with player's demands: drinks, babes, diversions ...all of which detract from hands played.
Online you can play fixedly without drinks, meal breaks, coffee or music, but the online casino pays no real estate tax or booze bill.

Either you milk an online casino or you milk a Bricks and Mortar casino, but you can only milk them for what they offer you.
rdw4potus
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September 27th, 2014 at 2:05:22 PM permalink
Quote: TruthYeller

No, No, and NO.... I just made this account after testing out Bovado... having seen that everyone is pumping it. How much are you are getting for an affiliate's cut, a few thousand? Freakin snakes - I'm here to expose you all.

Here's the deal OP... DO NOT fool around with ANY OF THE ONLINE CASINOS. They WILL cheat and take your $$$. As with the rest, it's same story... software behaves to certain conditions, using some really slick IF/THEN, and some other complicated decision logic. Good thing I'm a "dev".

I've taken about $2000 of my live casino winnings and wanted to test to see if I could slowly grind out a small daily profit online. Bovado was my "last stop." IT DOESN'T WORK PEOPLE! Especially if you're looking for a Craps game. Wizard of Vegas, and all these other guys put in a little time to whip up a PHP or Asp.Net, and justify that they're warning you of sites to steer clear of, and those that are friendly. I can guarantee you that from the advertisement they get, they're pulling in WAY MORE than you're losing.

Now that I know this... I'm not only gonna stick with live brick casinos, where you can't get ripped off... but I'm gonna blast these people like Wizard of Vegas and others, and jack up their $$$ money.... and put the real deal out there. Stay away from the online action people.



You're supposed to lose at craps. Every bet in craps has a house edge. What did you think would happen when you played? Why is it anyone's fault but your own that you lost at a game where the house has a known quantifiable edge?
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rainman
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September 27th, 2014 at 2:11:18 PM permalink
Quote: TruthYeller

No, No, and NO.... I just made this account after testing out Bovado... having seen that everyone is pumping it. How much are you are getting for an affiliate's cut, a few thousand? Freakin snakes - I'm here to expose you all.

Here's the deal OP... DO NOT fool around with ANY OF THE ONLINE CASINOS. They WILL cheat and take your $$$. As with the rest, it's same story... software behaves to certain conditions, using some really slick IF/THEN, and some other complicated decision logic. Good thing I'm a "dev".

I've taken about $2000 of my live casino winnings and wanted to test to see if I could slowly grind out a small daily profit online. Bovado was my "last stop." IT DOESN'T WORK PEOPLE! Especially if you're looking for a Craps game. Wizard of Vegas, and all these other guys put in a little time to whip up a PHP or Asp.Net, and justify that they're warning you of sites to steer clear of, and those that are friendly. I can guarantee you that from the advertisement they get, they're pulling in WAY MORE than you're losing.

Now that I know this... I'm not only gonna stick with live brick casinos, where you can't get ripped off... but I'm gonna blast these people like Wizard of Vegas and others, and jack up their $$$ money.... and put the real deal out there. Stay away from the online action people.




You can yell all you want your words fall upon def ears. You need to provide evidence or your just another player complaining about losing while playing -EV games. I am in the black when it comes to online and this is after about 1.5 million in coin in.
harveywalters
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July 26th, 2021 at 4:11:30 AM permalink
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lilredrooster
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July 26th, 2021 at 4:34:23 AM permalink
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the link reports and shows the details of dozens of complaints against Bovada



since the Supreme Court ruling that States other than Nevada may offer sports betting many States have opted to do that and will also allow online casino gambling

these books and online casinos will be regulated by the State that they are in

I believe that those using those casinos will have many fewer complaints and have a much easier time getting whatever complaints they may have fairly easily resolved since they will be able to file complaints with the State

those online casinos are not going to want to fall into disfavor with the States

of course, the complaints must be legitimate




I would surmise that offshore casinos will respond to the competition from State regulated online casinos by ramping up their bonuses and promos




https://www.complaintsboard.com/bovada-b131288


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Last edited by: lilredrooster on Jul 26, 2021
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tuttigym
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Mission146
July 31st, 2021 at 10:05:41 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Do you have some sort of play log you can provide, or anything, or is this just an objection to losing? With all due respect, if I wanted to, "Grind out a small daily profit," playing a negative expectation game, such as Craps, would not be my strategy.


I respect your opinion, Mission, so I played craps on Bovada NOT for real money, and I won twice (played twice my particular style). Is NOT real vs real $$ play the same or do you believe the site can figure out my plan and react accordingly?

tuttigym
Mission146
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July 31st, 2021 at 10:20:05 AM permalink
Quote: tuttigym

I respect your opinion, Mission, so I played craps on Bovada NOT for real money, and I won twice (played twice my particular style). Is NOT real vs real $$ play the same or do you believe the site can figure out my plan and react accordingly?

tuttigym



I think two attempts is a limited sample size.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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