billryan
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April 25th, 2018 at 12:03:05 PM permalink
The court case should be about the chip and it's confiscation. The casino received $5,000 for the chip. There is no evidence it was stolen.
The problem is this would be a pyrric victory as it would cost as much as the chip is worth. That's why small court would be best.
darkoz
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April 25th, 2018 at 12:04:58 PM permalink
Nolan Dalla says in his relating the story he had no idea the chip could be refused

I think its safe to surmise no one would purposely accept a chip as payment if they thought it had no value

I think that would stand pretty strongly to misrepresentation in a court of law

I still feel a debt is owed by the original person to Nolan

The original owner of the chip may have grounds to sue the casino. According to wizards post the gambling statutes say the chip can only be cashed out by the person who obtained it originally

Eventually someone purchased it and that person would have right to sue
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April 25th, 2018 at 2:41:32 PM permalink
I'm still having a problem with the casino refusing to honor a non-counterfeit chip for which they received good money.

...IF they have individual tracking on each chip of that value, and can prove that there was somehow fraud that cost the CASINO any value on it...

...IF they have had a cage robbery, or pilferage of that denomination chip...

...IF they are aware that there was criminal activity for which that chip is somehow representing washed or extremely portable money (as opposed to the bulk 50 100s make...

THEN Maybe they don't owe the money to the person who presents the chip for redemption. Maybe.

But they sure as hell owe it to someone. They don't get to simply squat on it when it was validly changed to start.

If that's what the current law allows, the law needs to change. I don't care if it's Judy, (the late) Wapner, or Clark County court. That is simply unfair. Wherever that chip was purchased, by whomever, that transaction needs to back up to someone legitimately able to claim it from the cage, and they need to pay it in full.

This has made me madder and madder over the last several days, as you guys have brought more details forward.
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Greasyjohn
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April 25th, 2018 at 3:02:40 PM permalink
So I wonder if the provenance of the chip has ever been established.
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April 25th, 2018 at 3:06:13 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I'm still having a problem with the casino refusing to honor a non-counterfeit chip for which they received good money.

...IF they have individual tracking on each chip of that value, and can prove that there was somehow fraud that cost the CASINO any value on it...

...IF they have had a cage robbery, or pilferage of that denomination chip...

...IF they are aware that there was criminal activity for which that chip is somehow representing washed or extremely portable money (as opposed to the bulk 50 100s make...

THEN Maybe they don't owe the money to the person who presents the chip for redemption. Maybe.

But they sure as hell owe it to someone. They don't get to simply squat on it when it was validly changed to start.

If that's what the current law allows, the law needs to change. I don't care if it's Judy, (the late) Wapner, or Clark County court. That is simply unfair. Wherever that chip was purchased, by whomever, that transaction needs to back up to someone legitimately able to claim it from the cage, and they need to pay it in full.

This has made me madder and madder over the last several days, as you guys have brought more details forward.



One thing I do understand is why the casino would be skeptical about a person who they have no record of ever having walked away from a table with a 5k chip , trying to cash in a 5k chip. So if they ask the person , and the person says ďso and so gave it to me as a debt paymentĒ.. then the casino can check that persons record and say ok yes that person did win a 5k chip which we have no record of him ever cashing , so this is legit. Then give the person the cash and record the chip as having been cashed. Seems simple. Unless the chip had been passed from person to person 5 or 6 different times between when it was originally won and when itís attempting to be cashed
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April 25th, 2018 at 3:09:51 PM permalink
And I bet the casino only tracks the 5k chips so carefully for their own benefit.

Letís say I buy into a roullete table for $100, get lucky and win $5000, walk away with a 5k chip, and then it falls out of my pocket and I lose it and never find it. Then I go to the cage and tell them this story , they can easily look me up and see I did indeed win a 5k chip , I did not cash it , but they sure as heck arenít gonna pay me my 5000 cash just based on that
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April 25th, 2018 at 3:41:41 PM permalink
I agree with others that the casino should not profit by withholding the chip.

I wonder if they would cash it if the original person who won the chip came to collect on it? In the Dalla case do we know if this was tried?
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April 25th, 2018 at 4:21:31 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I agree with others that the casino should not profit by withholding the chip.

I wonder if they would cash it if the original person who won the chip came to collect on it? In the Dalla case do we know if this was tried?



The name of the person who gave Dalla the chip showed that he also had no recorded gaming history. He would not be able to cash it

We can surmise the history of the chip was through multiple owners

To this day the casino has not honored the chip

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