AKT60
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July 14th, 2017 at 3:48:01 PM permalink
Quote: RS

I just read a VPFree post the other day which I thought was absolutely f'ing retarded, but it'll make a point here.

The guy said he was playing $1 denom VP, held two queens. A button got re-pressed or something, throwing away one queen on accident, and he got the next 4 RF cards and up came a $4k jackpot. This very "smart" player said -- no, only pay me $5, because that's what I should have gotten. They paid him his $5, supposebly, and that was that.

I happen to know this poster and I'm sure that he was joking.
cwazy
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July 15th, 2017 at 6:51:44 AM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

This known as "structuring" and is illegal. This very practice has resulted in shutdowns of casinos while armed government agents collect and carry boxes of records out the door. A few weeks later, there's an announcement that significant fines are being imposed, and most importantly, gaming licenses are lost.



Hmm.....I know of at least one machine at a major Nevada casino that is programmed specifically so that you cannot have over $3K in credits on the machine. If you win an amount that would put your credits over $3K, the machine instantly prints a ticket for the amount of the win (on this particular machine, W2G's are not an issue, as it is impossible to have a win of over $1200 on one trial). This keeps happening over and over again. I have wound up with 10+ tickets in one session at times on this machine before ever hitting the cashout button.

It seems like that would certainly be in the vein of structuring, but the machine is still this way as of a few weeks ago, and it is a machine type that is commonly found in most Nevada casinos. Since casinos don't do custom game programming, apparently this is an option each casino can choose to enable or not. That means regulators must have had to sign off on it.

I wonder if Bob would think that this setup should be considered structuring.
onenickelmiracle
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July 15th, 2017 at 8:33:02 AM permalink
There was a story about a forgotten law. Any similar cases he can remember or any he found that knocked the opposition's socks off?
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July 15th, 2017 at 9:04:54 AM permalink
Quote: cwazy

Hmm.....I know of at least one machine at a major Nevada casino that is programmed specifically so that you cannot have over $3K in credits on the machine. If you win an amount that would put your credits over $3K, the machine instantly prints a ticket for the amount of the win (on this particular machine, W2G's are not an issue, as it is impossible to have a win of over $1200 on one trial). This keeps happening over and over again. I have wound up with 10+ tickets in one session at times on this machine before ever hitting the cashout button.

It seems like that would certainly be in the vein of structuring, but the machine is still this way as of a few weeks ago, and it is a machine type that is commonly found in most Nevada casinos. Since casinos don't do custom game programming, apparently this is an option each casino can choose to enable or not. That means regulators must have had to sign off on it.



Many casinos use the $3000 limit by default. One reason is that many kiosks have a $3000 redemption limit per ticket.

You are correct that it is a game option on almost every game that the casino can set at any limits they choose. It is not structuring unless the patron is specifially trying to avoid the reporting when they cash in the tickets.

As an FYI, slot machine jackpots are not aggregated and are not counted towards the $10,000 CTR limits.
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July 15th, 2017 at 10:06:41 AM permalink
A lot of machines are $1000.
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July 15th, 2017 at 11:53:15 AM permalink
I played one that was set wrong and cashed out a ticket for over 7k,when i went to cashier, they freaked,out it took me 30 minutes to get it cashed.
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July 15th, 2017 at 1:59:12 PM permalink
Quote: BobDancer

Nersesian has addressed this previously. If the picture on the machine represents some "normal" gambling something --- like a 6-sided die --- then each face of the die must have a 1-in-6 chance of appearing. Or if it looked like a roulette wheel complete with 36 numbers and one or two zeroes, they each spot must have an equal chance of coming up.

But if the depiction is something unique --- and the WOF wheel is unlike anything else in a casino --- then there is no requirement that each space appears equally likely.


WELL, TO ME it looks SIMILAR TO a roulette wheel complete with 36 numbers and one or two zeroes, they each spot must have an equal chance of coming up.



https://www.igt.com/games/wheel-of-fortune-wild-red-sevens-3r9l9c-s-avp-stand-alone-a1p
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July 15th, 2017 at 2:06:56 PM permalink
Not true.

I am in middle of dispute with strip casino over cashing a mere 900 in chips ($500 chip and 4 blacks). When presented they confiscated the chips because I could not tell them what table or when I played. I had the chips for several months and have no f@@#23ing idea when I played.

There are gaming regulations that allow them to do this!!!!!!!!!! This need to be changed. They are applying them at their choice!!!

I am on a mission but have some more steps to go through which include a gaming investigation (they have already told me I will not get my money unless they can verify I played there). After that, I must request and attend a hearing. Prior to that there will be an attempt on my part to "publicize" (think newspaper, radio, congressman) before the hearing.

While I want my 900 dollars, this is bullshit and needs to be changed for all players AP or recreational!
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July 15th, 2017 at 2:12:35 PM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

WELL, TO ME it looks SIMILAR TO a roulette wheel complete with 36 numbers and one or two zeroes, they each spot must have an equal chance of coming up.



https://www.igt.com/games/wheel-of-fortune-wild-red-sevens-3r9l9c-s-avp-stand-alone-a1p



My understanding is that wheels and single-line slots (grandfathered) can be weighted.
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July 15th, 2017 at 3:45:24 PM permalink
Quote: Stealth

Not true.

I am in middle of dispute with strip casino over cashing a mere 900 in chips ($500 chip and 4 blacks). When presented they confiscated the chips because I could not tell them what table or when I played. I had the chips for several months and have no f@@#23ing idea when I played.

There are gaming regulations that allow them to do this!!!!!!!!!! This need to be changed. They are applying them at their choice!!!

I am on a mission but have some more steps to go through which include a gaming investigation (they have already told me I will not get my money unless they can verify I played there). After that, I must request and attend a hearing. Prior to that there will be an attempt on my part to "publicize" (think newspaper, radio, congressman) before the hearing.

While I want my 900 dollars, this is bullshit and needs to be changed for all players AP or recreational!


This happened to someone I know also,and it was for a similar small amount.
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