LGTVEGAS
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April 25th, 2018 at 3:55:19 PM permalink
This was a long time ago. I believe to my recollection, it was on one of those old Vegas specials, or it might have been your you tube video. But it was a video. I doubt I could find it in my archives, but I did record all those old Vegas shows on the Travel Channel. We Remember the one with Antony Curtis and Bethany on the coupon run. He finds a dime on the ground and says" That's good for two cups of coffee at the Westward HO!"
In any case I do have an uncanny memory for things like that.
You didn't actually say exactly that it was possible, but rather it wasn't out of the realm of possibility that there might be something to it. Now I well remember that, because prior to you having said that I thought that there was no way dice setting a had any viability whatsoever. It struck me somewhat and so I gave it some distant passing thought that it might be something, however insignificant.
If I am mistaken I stand corrected, but do remember something like that on the show.
It's all in fun, and isn't that why we do it!
I've always been impressed by your math acumen. There must be some reason you gave up such a riveting career as an Actuary for IBM. I too have always been fascinated with mathematical probabilities. But mine is more about why people gamble, knowing there is always a house advantage.
Thanks for responding.
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troopscott
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April 26th, 2018 at 6:58:54 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Quote: gamerfreak

I think what you wrote in expectations for the dice setter suggests there is something to it. Not sure if that’s exactly what you meant, but that was also my takeaway.

This part:

“Personally, I'm still skeptical. I don't rule out the possibility, but I'm not convinced. Most casinos happily allow it. If I ran a casino, I would allow it too, because I think the number of people who can influence the dice (if any) is far outweighed by the number who think they can, but can't. Still some people I respect do believe in it, mainly Stanford Wong, who trained under Golden Touch Craps.”

I guess it’s also important to keep in mind that the context is an article describing the math for dice setting under the assumption that there is “something to it”.



None of that means I said there was "something to it." I only made that page about dice setting odds because Wong's book caused quite a stir but nobody had really answered the question of how dice setting works, if indeed it does. Since I can't disprove dice setting doesn't work, I'm not going to totally rule it out. However, after at least ten years of this topic being debated, I've yet to see any convincing evidence there is anything to it other than a way of selling books and lessons about it.



do you believe it is possible If the shooter does not hit the back wall?
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April 26th, 2018 at 8:53:18 PM permalink
Quote: troopscott

do you believe it is possible If the shooter does not hit the back wall?



No. I thought it was the aim to hit right where the felt met the back wall, not just to comply with house rules, but that the combination of the two sides would absorb the energy of the dice, letting them, hopefully, fall dead. I think if the dice had to only be thrown near the wall they would bounce so often as to randomize the roll.
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NokTang
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April 26th, 2018 at 9:02:39 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

No. I thought it was the aim to hit right where the felt met the back wall, not just to comply with house rules, but that the combination of the two sides would absorb the energy of the dice, letting them, hopefully, fall dead. I think if the dice had to only be thrown near the wall they would bounce so often as to randomize the roll.



Your thoughts are correct. However, most of the videos showing "dice influencers" rolling indicate they aim at or just behind the don't pass section of the table, the corner. The rolls are randomizing regardless as you well know and can see without the need for slow motion cameras etc.. It's all an effort as you also correctly indicate to sell books and more important "classes" and "seminars" at ridiculous prices with "no refunds" or "money back guaranty".... Meet a group of perhaps decent people all without a real care about said seminar but rather folks lacking social skills and/or grace.
nickolay411
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May 8th, 2018 at 4:28:51 PM permalink
It is possible to land both or just one dice as a dead cat bounce. The bossman will no-roll it though. Unless they are not paying attention.
petroglyph
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May 8th, 2018 at 4:54:19 PM permalink
Quote: nickolay411

It is possible to land both or just one dice as a dead cat bounce. The bossman will no-roll it though. Unless they are not paying attention.

Good to see you around
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May 8th, 2018 at 4:57:38 PM permalink
Yea! It's been a bit. Been focused on my short film the past few years. Its about gambling. :) Hopefully I can share it here when its done. Been playing much?
petroglyph
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May 8th, 2018 at 5:03:30 PM permalink
Had some med issues. Hope to get back to it. Did you see here, there was almost another SooPoo challenge, but the guy changed his mind? That was fun. How bout you?
nickolay411
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May 8th, 2018 at 5:47:28 PM permalink
Oh! Hope you are feeling better. I missed that. Would have been interesting to see it play out. Is it me or does the forum seem a bit quieter lately?

Edit: I'm still playing. Heading to Vegas on the 18th. And then Macau later this month.
petroglyph
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May 8th, 2018 at 6:16:08 PM permalink
Quote: nickolay411

Oh! Hope you are feeling better. I missed that. Would have been interesting to see it play out. Is it me or does the forum seem a bit quieter lately?

Edit: I'm still playing. Heading to Vegas on the 18th. And then Macau later this month.

Sign of the times I think? There was a poll here a while back about the average age of wov posters. Could be they are just dying off, and not being replaced?
Like any group of volunteers, it relies on new blood, and the old blood suffers from contributor burn out?

Have some monster rolls Nick.

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