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Ahigh
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April 11th, 2013 at 7:05:14 AM permalink
I rolled 8 hard tens in 84 rolls. For those 84 rolls that's nearly 10% of every roll that was a hard ten, Alan.

As stated as the first hard ten appeared on the 110th throw, "the entire point of the show was to roll hard tens."

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/12821-ahigh-show-tuesday-at-7-30pm-pacific-time/69/#post233596

It's interesting that you said the show was a disaster and then later ask these questions and admit you didn't watch it.

Good job!

Click this link to see the 110th throw when the first hard ten appeared:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxeKk73zpok&t=52m
superrick
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April 11th, 2013 at 10:22:39 AM permalink
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Alan
I didn't watch the entire show. How many soft tens?



Funny that as a reporter you would want to take hearsay information to be used against your buddy,..Ahigh. If everybody went along with the poster that responded to you,.. if he posted that Ahigh rolled 25 soft 10's where would you be?

You are always saying that Ahigh is not going about his research the wrong way, now how can you ever make a statement like that when you have to be one of the worst ones for doing any kind of research. Taking hearsay on anything just doesn't get it. If you are so interested in what he is doing, watch his shows. That way you have the real information you need to write an article that is 100% true, from your view point and it's not based on hearsay information!

There are many things that are posted on different craps boards that are based on hearsay, by the time they reach the board the story is blown so far out of proportion that it doesn't even come close to what happened. Like someone hitting a four point fire bet two time during the week they were in Vegas, by the time it hits the boards, they hit the fire bet for six point four times!

You owe it to everybody that reads what you are writing, to do your own research if you are going to post back on something!
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...! You do good brada ..! superrick Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/index.php ...
Ahigh
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April 11th, 2013 at 11:08:47 AM permalink
Yeah, after admitting what a failure things had been up until the 110th throw that all I was trying to do was hit a hard ten, by the end of the show, 8 hard tens.

I don't know how more explicit and honest it could get about what I was trying to do than admitting when the first one hit that it seemed like failure that this was ALL that I was trying to do.

It was funny, but hopefully those who questioned what I was trying to do can see just from watching a minute starting at the you tube link above that this is what happened. It went from no hard tens to hard tens coming quite a bit.

And sure it could be luck. But as I explain at the beginning of that you tube video, the REAL goal was that assuming I was getting all these hard tens as the result of anything besides randomness, the REAL goal was to get what they were doing to come up so often on slow motion and take a look to see how it might be the tens were coming up more often!

I don't expect everyone to understand what I was trying to do.

But I went to great lengths all along the way to both explain WHAT I was trying to do and that it was DIFFERENT from what I was trying to do on previous shows, and go into detail TALKING about what I was trying to do.

And still people just say, things like "it was a disaster, that show!"

Followed by "I didn't watch the whole thing!"

I will do my own research into the slow motion results myself and then I will put all the slow motion videos together and talk about what I am seeing if I can see anything in how the dice are bouncing that could explain getting this many hard tens as the result of anything besides luck.

It is very likely to just be luck. But I am doing a directed approach to show even a tiny hint at something besides randomness occurring using all the knowledge I have to this point.

It's like a needle in a haystack type of problem though. It's not going to be easy to see anything in there even if it is in there.

And when the critics come in and say "it's all random" .. Jesus.

It makes all this work seem like a waste of time. Like presenting caviar to a trailer park banquet.
Zcore13
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April 11th, 2013 at 11:17:32 AM permalink
Ok, so you had a bad run of no hard 10's during the first half and then a good run of hard 10's during the second half. After reviewing your hard 10 rolls, how much control did you see? I know it's what you wanted to do, but dice flying all over the table and doing what you wanted is still random.

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SanchoPanza
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April 11th, 2013 at 12:06:44 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I don't expect everyone to understand what I was trying to do.

To what would you attribute the 180 turnaround? Changing the dice? Changing the throw? Changing the target? Changing anything else?
Ahigh
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April 11th, 2013 at 12:11:18 PM permalink
I haven't had time to look in detail into the slow motion, but at a glance I didn't see anything yet.

As I said, it's like a needle in a haystack trying to get visual confirmation of non-randomness.

Your comment that "dice flying all over the table" implies randomness is neither very scientific or helpful.

By the math, when I'm expecting 5.55 hardways in 200 rolls and I get 8.00, there might be one or two that were not the result of randomness.

So I gotta look at all eight throws, and try to weed through them to see if I can find the one or two that might have not been random.

It's also possible that each of the 8 throws was 69% random and 41% controlled on average.

Certainly the old "wow, when I look at those they look random, and I've been playing craps for so many years I know they are just random" kind of comments.

This stuff takes a lot of time, and I get "the show was a disaster" and "dice flying all over the table" kinds of feedback for my efforts.

THANKS GUYS!

Take two seconds to take a shit on what I'm doing and to put me down. I really appreciate that.
Ahigh
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April 11th, 2013 at 12:15:57 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

To what would you attribute the 180 turnaround? Changing the dice? Changing the throw? Changing the target? Changing anything else?



The first part of the show I think I was throwing how I have thrown on previous shows.

The throw I did at the casino yesterday to get all those hard tens also produced a bunch of sevens.

But I really don't know what's different about the throw that's getting all the hard tens and getting more sevens, but there is a correlation.

One of the reasons I was contemplating not recording the results is because I was getting a shit-ton of sevens at lunch yesterday too, and I was fearful of recording that and blowing away my data saying I had good RSR's.

But you know what? It doesn't really matter anyway.

As far as how the throw is different, I don't know.

I'm trying to figure it all out, but I don't know right now.
AlanMendelson
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April 11th, 2013 at 12:26:44 PM permalink
Quote: superrick

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Alan
I didn't watch the entire show. How many soft tens?



Funny that as a reporter you would want to take hearsay information to be used against your buddy,..Ahigh. If everybody went along with the poster that responded to you,.. if he posted that Ahigh rolled 25 soft 10's where would you be?

You are always saying that Ahigh is not going about his research the wrong way, now how can you ever make a statement like that when you have to be one of the worst ones for doing any kind of research. Taking hearsay on anything just doesn't get it. If you are so interested in what he is doing, watch his shows. That way you have the real information you need to write an article that is 100% true, from your view point and it's not based on hearsay information!

There are many things that are posted on different craps boards that are based on hearsay, by the time they reach the board the story is blown so far out of proportion that it doesn't even come close to what happened. Like someone hitting a four point fire bet two time during the week they were in Vegas, by the time it hits the boards, they hit the fire bet for six point four times!

You owe it to everybody that reads what you are writing, to do your own research if you are going to post back on something!



I must say, this is the first time I was ever criticized for asking a question on a discussion forum. All I asked was "How many soft tens?"
If the response that I got was incorrect, I am sure someone would have corrected it, superrick.

And regarding Ahigh's claims-- the research has been done, and it was done years ago. Several people here have already commented that Ahigh does not have a controlled shot. He doesn't. Look at the slow motion videos of Ahigh's rolls.

I do not criticize him for trying because we all try, don't we?

That he threw hard tens or any tens is not supportive of his claims. He had random shots that came up "ten." That's interesting to see.

I look forward to seeing your rolls on the Ahigh Show and I hope we get to see them in slow motion also.
Zcore13
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April 11th, 2013 at 12:35:11 PM permalink
Well let me help you out. I watched the whole show, except a short time when it disconnected. I watched every roll and listen to every comment. I watched every slo motion replay during the broadcast and the ones you posted afterward.

There was nothing different from the first half throws and second half throws except random luck. Your dice were coming out the same, sometimes you were saying it felt good, sometimes not, but it never really correlated to what ended happening. I never saw a roll where the two dice hit the same and rotated the same. I never saw a roll where they both stayed on the same axis. I would say there were a few short rolls that didn't rotate much, but they were only one die rolling short. That's not going to get you anywhere except warned or removed from the table.

Every shot out of the 150+ that I saw had at least one die that rolled wildly and most of them had both doing it. You can't have the dice rolling all different ways, bouncing different ways, rolling not on any specific axis and say there was any control. Your 8 hard 10's were 69% random and 41% contolled (we won't even count the fact that it equals 110%). Are you insane? Please show a roll with even a slight bit of control when you have the time.

Aaron, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Good job to you for trying to prove a theory. Good job for putting it on tape. Thank you for taking the time. The problem is you are not looking at it clearly any more. You are biased. You believe you have some control with 0% proof. Not one throw that you can show you controlled. If you want to do this for research purposes, then do it and just take the results as a whole (not a 200 roll session) when you are done. If you are going to defend your "skills" and claim you have 41% control then stop being a baby when you are criticized for saying that with no proof.

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AlanMendelson
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April 11th, 2013 at 12:38:55 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh


THANKS GUYS!

Take two seconds to take a shit on what I'm doing and to put me down. I really appreciate that.



Unfortunately Ahigh not everyone sees it your way. You have to be prepared for the ciriticism of your claims. This isn't supposed to be the Ahigh fan club. Several people here are really interested in finding out about the truth of dice control and dice influencing. If you are going to take these comments personally I suggest you just put the info on your own website and require a password to see it. That way only your supporters and fans will be there to pat you on the back and say attaboy.

I am not criticizing you for trying and I don't think anyone else will criticize you for trying. In fact, I hope you succeed in your quest to prove dice control and to be a dice controller. But you have to be willing to accept challenges to your position and prove your claims.

There is an expression in the TV business when something goes wrong with a production: "This isn't brain surgery and no one died."

And this is only a discussion about craps... it isn't brain surgery and no one is going to die either.

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