Private Craps Table at a Casino? No "Mid-Shoe" Entry during Craps?

I don't have any problem with people playing with me on the craps table. I just don't want anyone buying in during the game.

Is there any way to get a Casino to allow me to play craps without allowing anyone else to buy-in during the game? Does anybody on the forum have experience with this? I am willing to bring a much bigger bankroll with higher mimimums on Pass Line Bets.

Any information provided will be greatly appreciated!

Just to clarify...
You object to anyone buying in during the game rather than merely someone buying in when the Shooter is in the middle of a roll. Others can be there at the start and can color up and leave but no one may join the game, even if he already has cheques with which to play.

You would be best doing this, I would think, at a place that has multiple craps tables open and crews available and can therefore absorb such special requests without too much impact on their operations. I imagine its best to go through your host to do this and see that he speaks to the Pit Boss. Also be specific, so if this rule only applied to ONE end of the table would you be satisfied?

I do NOT know any specific numbers but you do realize, I'm sure, that they would be likely to do this only for someone for whom they would reserve a table and crew or reserve half a table. If this were to be done at a "busy" time, it might also require a "sport jacket" to be present, not just the dice crew. That would mean you would be spreading some serious money or the casino would just tell you to go elsewhere.

My advice: Tell them how long you expect to be at the table but above all else how much money you will be actually putting in action. They will usually not post any private game signs since that is contrary to Nevada rules, they usually "enforce exclusivity" by simply posting a sign that DISCOURAGES buy ins, such as Reserved or 500 minimum.

If you've got the clout / bankroll to get a table reserved for yourself, then you should be able to invoke some additional rules such as what you're asking.

But is that really the only thing that bothers you at the craps table?

What about late bets? Hands?

For the record, I recently played at a table where half was reserved for one guy. The other half was a $10 minimum. It was kinda weird, but fun too. I forget where this was.

Quote: FleaStiff

Just to clarify...
You object to anyone buying in during the game rather than merely someone buying in when the Shooter is in the middle of a roll. Others can be there at the start and can color up and leave but no one may join the game, even if he already has cheques with which to play.

I have problems with people on a table buying in (Cash on the table) or joining the game ("Mid-shoe entry") when the shooter is in the middle of a roll. When the puck is "off", I have absolutely zero problems with you joining in. I would pay whatever it takes to not allow "mid-shoe" entries in Craps.

Quote: FleaStiff

You would be best doing this, I would think, at a place that has multiple craps tables open and crews available and can therefore absorb such special requests without too much impact on their operations. I imagine its best to go through your host to do this and see that he speaks to the Pit Boss. Also be specific, so if this rule only applied to ONE end of the table would you be satisfied?.

I need the entire craps table off limits to people buying-in or joining the game while the "puck is on"

Quote: FleaStiff

My advice: Tell them how long you expect to be at the table but above all else how much money you will be actually putting in action. They will usually not post any private game signs since that is contrary to Nevada rules, they usually "enforce exclusivity" by simply posting a sign that DISCOURAGES buy ins, such as Reserved or 500 minimum.

Great advice, FleaStiff!

Do you think I can get this done (Reserved Table) for a bankroll less than $5,000? Can I request a table minumum of $50 per Pass Line Bet?

Quote: CrapsForever

I have problems with people on a table buying in (Cash on the table) or joining the game ("Mid-shoe entry") when the shooter is in the middle of a roll. When the puck is "off", I have absolutely zero problems with you joining in. I would pay whatever it takes to not allow "mid-shoe" entries in Craps.

At the very least I think casinos should consider that at the high limit tables.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

If you've got the clout / bankroll to get a table reserved for yourself, then you should be able to invoke some additional rules such as what you're asking.

But is that really the only thing that bothers you at the craps table?

What about late bets? Hands?

My only requests at a Craps table:

*No "Mid-shoe" entry,
**No Late Bets, Hands over rails
*** No Arguments with dealers
****Don't talk to the Shooter/delay the game when he/she has the dice in his hand

Those are my only 4 requests...most great rolls that I have seen through the years lacked these 4 elements. The past 2 days playing at Bethlehem Sands was the worst display I have ever seen of these four elements destroying "good vibes" that I have seen in my life.

Do certain casinos allow more of these annoying traits then others. And if yes do you think it is a concerted effort?

Quote: DJTeddyBear

What about late bets? Hands?

I know some people who were playing craps at the MSS during WoVCon 1.5 think my hands on the roll are lucky :)

Quote: only1choice

Do certain casinos allow more of these annoying traits then others. And if yes do you think it is a concerted effort?

Yes, certain casinos allow it more than others, I believe it is a concerted effort by the casinos in certain situations because I see way too many people come in...and "buy in" with lots of cash on the table during a hot roll, then "disappear" after the next roll (Usually a 7out) without making a single bet. When did the Craps table become the place to get cash for chips? The term "Cash for Chips only, no action" makes me angriest the most! It's blatant disrespect of the game!

My new mission in life is to buy in right in the middle of your roll...to argue with the dealers...etc

OK, kidding.

This would make for a good poll, whether or not you would favor a "wait until a seven out" to buy in rule. Keep in mind that when you a approach a table you may have to wait a while for play. The intent of the rule would obviously be to not slow down a "hot roll," but player complaints about waiting might have the same effect.

I know craps players are a superstitious bunch, and what this rule would indirectly cause is waiting players to want the shooter to seven-out, so they could play. Some would believe, of course incorrectly, that this negative energy would cause the shooter to lose.

Quote: Wizard

This would make for a good poll, whether or not you would favor a "wait until a seven out" to buy in rule. Keep in mind that when you a approach a table you may have to wait a while for play.

When arriving at a crap table, I always wait for the puck to be turned OFF before buying in. If it's a hot roll, I'll just enjoy watching; either the point or the 7 will come soon enough.

Now when I'm shooting, I don't really mind someone else buying in between rolls with the puck ON. I just wait for the transaction to be completed before shooting, even if the stick man has shoved the dice to me. I've had sticks push me to shoot while they are selling chips at the other end, but I decline to do that. My standard comment is, "I'm never in such a hurry to lose my money that I can't wait for someone else to put theirs at risk." This applies to buy-in and to getting a bunch of wagers placed and positioned. I'll wait for both.

What does irk me is when the dice have been pushed to me and I have picked them up to throw, then someone starts tossing cash or chips on the table, yelling what he wants and probably reaching hands well out onto the table pointing at everything as if there is no one playing a game on that table. That's the situation in which I have considered throwing the dice (or even just one of them) very hard directly at the hands of the offending player. A bruised knuckle that got in the way of the game could be a useful lesson.

Quote: CrapsForever

The term "Cash for Chips only, no action" makes me angriest the most! It's blatant disrespect of the game!

Whoa there... someone saying No Action or Check Change Only, No Action is just being polite and precise. That is what players should be.
You dump money down in the come area, the Dealer knows you want change, but if he hears it from you that saves arguments and saves him from having to call No Action on the Money in the Come.

Buying in and then immediately leaving is rude and nonsensical... what do think the cage is for.

I've found the lower tier casinos are most apt to tolerate drunks, loud conversations, distractions, splashing of chips, etc. Terribles is my least favorite for tolerating such things. The Venetian is the polar opposite. Everyone is expected to behave there even the usually rowdy UCLA "Frat Rats" tend to tone down their behavior at the Venetian. The volume level is lowest at the Venetian.

I'm not sure that "Wait until seven out" is what's desired here.

I think the superstitious craps players prefer that players wait until a come out roll.


Personally, I don't buy any of it. If I want to buy in, I buy in. What's the alternative? Stand there while the hot shooter hits a bunch of numbers? I want a part of that action!

Of course, if I buy in, and the shooter sevens out, I'll be the first to take the blame. It's real easy to take blame when you're with a bunch of strangers and son't believe in that crap....

Quote: FleaStiff

Whoa there... someone saying No Action or Check Change Only, No Action is just being polite and precise. That is what players should be.

Please do it when the Puck is OFF!

Quote: Wizard

This would make for a good poll, whether or not you would favor a "wait until a seven out" to buy in rule.

And here it is:

Craps Buy-in Poll

Quote: CrapsForever

Please do it when the Puck is OFF!

Definitely. Some people get carried away by excitement and get forgetful though.

Just spoke to a supervisor over the phone at a Casino in the Mid-Atlantic area that I planned on visiting for the first time next week...

They can't give me a private table but they say they are a very small casino with limited people playing and that I should not have a problem with people buying in during rolls.

I don't like people coming in the middle of a roll either, but I don't have near the amount of money to obtain a table by myself, so I just have to deal with it. I actually go out of my way to not approach the table until I know the puck is off (I just gaze the action from afar). Sounds ridiculous, but I'm not interested in some old curmudgeon giving me crap for "messing up the roll".

On the other hand, some people are ridiculous with their requests. One time I tried to buy in at a $10 BJ table. The middle-aged couple that was there asked me (and someone else that came a bit later) to wait for the shoe to finish. The shoe had barely started! The other kid left, but I actually waited it out since I wasn't in a rush. I probably should've called them on their B.S., but I'm typically a non-confrontational person. If it was $5 table, I might've snapped though lol.

Quote: CrapsForever

They can't give me a private table but they say they are a very small casino with limited people playing and that I should not have a problem with people buying in during rolls.

Translation:

We're too small to reserve a table for you. In fact, we're so small that we don't have a lot of business. As such, there's a chance that, by default, you'll get what you want.

Um... I wouldn't trust that.

Finding a Blackjack Table with "no midshoe entry" is fairly common.

I have never seen a craps table with "no midshoe entry". Are there any other casino games that don't allow mid-shoe entries?

I don't think so. Blackjack is just about the only game wherein the advantage changes and a counter might have an advantage entering mid-shoe.

In craps, its more an issue of courtesy or players being so excited they don't quite realize or sometimes, simply ignorant of the game.