Shoot to Win Craps

Shoot to Win Craps is a new game I saw this weekend at the MGM and New York New York. http://www.aruzegaming.com/gstation/shoottowincraps.html. From what I could tell everything is the same as normal craps with 3x4x5x odds and minimum $2 bet and max $250 bet. I guess the only question is the setup of the dice rolling. As you can see from the link, there is clear cylinder in the middle with large dice and green felt. The machine starts shaking and then the shooter presses the button and the green felt base the dice are sitting on bounces real hard and then the dice land. The only thing I didn't like is you have to replace your bet after a win. So if you have a $2 pass line bet and you win, you have to place the $2 pass line bet again.

Any other information on the game would be interesting.

Quote: SONBP2

Shoot to Win Craps is a new game ...

Not all that "new" since its all over town particularly in the outlying areas with smaller locals-oriented casinos.

Query: Why are they are Florida locations? When craps is banned even in Indian casinos? Same question for California casinos where about thirty casinos feature it with no "cards" anywhere in sight. Are these simulated dice or is the determination made by the chip with the dice complying? Are the players all playing the same game??

Looks a lot like Interblock's Organic Craps. I've never played this version, but one thing I like about Organic Craps is its EXTREMELY detailed statistics screen. It would be nice if Aruze replicated this feature.

What is on the statistics screen? I don't get electronic versions of live table games unless they somehow move faster. From what I have seen from Roulette and other community electronic games (where there is some timer to get all the participating player's bets in), they don't move faster.

I don't see these games offering much over their live counterparts, but I am not a big electronic games/slots player anyway so my view is likely biased to begin with. I guess they make sense if in some jurisdictions, these versions can be played and the live versions cannot....other than that, what is the point, I must be missing something here.

Actually, at G2E a company called ZUUM had an electronic roulette game with a ball blower instead of a wheel. They claimed to be able to get the proposition rate down to between 30 and 40 seconds, which is a *lot* faster than a physical wheel -- even an automated one.

Now that technology makes sense and adds value to both the player and the house. But will those roulette players give up the fascination of watching that ball and wheel go round and round?

I played it last month at Casino MonteLago at Lake Las Vegas.

Didn't care for it.

Better than nothing, I suppose, but not by much.

Quote: MrV

Better than nothing, I suppose, but not by much.

Funny you should say that.

There's a similar kind of roulette game in some Mexican "casinos" (BTW I don't regard slot parlors as casinos, but I digress). This type of game might make it here.

Would I play it? Perhaps, as in being better than nothing, and having a lower hosue edge than roulette. But for places that aren't hung up on the prescence of chips, or allowing human players to touch the dice, it seems rather lame.

On my visit to Blackhawk 2 months ago, Roulette Revolution had more players than the actual tables. A younger crowd and 2 deep at times. Saw this in 3 different casino's. With labor costs rising and the younger players cutting their teeth on video games, I can only see that part of the gambling market growing.

I have to think it is a less intimidating way to play craps for people new to the game. I would put 50 bucks in it just to play it and see how it works but it wouldn't scratch my itch in the way of craps. I probably makes more on a HA than regular craps due to the fact that most people playing this are probably not playing the don't or laying numbers.

Maybe the Wynn should just order 20 of these and call it a day.

Quote: FleaStiff

Query: Why are they are Florida locations? When craps is banned even in Indian casinos? Same question for California casinos where about thirty casinos feature it with no "cards" anywhere in sight. Are these simulated dice or is the determination made by the chip with the dice complying? Are the players all playing the same game??

I don't think the list at the website is exclusively for "Shoot to Win Craps". I think the list is for any joint that has an Aruze Gaming machine (mostly slots) installed. I don't think "Shoot to Win Craps" would be approved at any of the "decisions must be card based" jurisdictions, since the shaker is essentially a huge "Pop-o-matic".

Thanks.
The other question remains: Does the machine come to a grinding halt to prepare a tax form is you hit large enough on this slot machine?