Clownkeeper
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September 25th, 2011 at 8:31:18 AM permalink
Im sure this has been thought of before, but I couldn't find anything on a search. This is how it would work. 3 friends each with $500 bank roll pool their money together and play at a $5 table. Player one makes pass line bet with 3-4-5x odds then buys the 4 and 10 with $25 each. Player two makes pass line with 3-4-5x odds then places the 5 for $25 and the 6 for $30. Player three make pass line with 3-4-5x odds and places the 8 for $30 and 9 for $25. So after the point is established all the numbers are covered and keep them up until 7 out. After players 2 and 3 has two hits, raise the bet on one number by $10. Player one can double his bet on one number after 3 hits. Play for a set time then divide the winnings. What do u think??? Im thinking if the point hits alot this could be a good idea. One thing that could go wrong for example is if the 4 and 10 rarely hit then player 1 could lose his bankroll faster than the other two and bring the profit margin down.

With that, I would have to ask about a two man team that each make a pass line bet with same odds as above and player one places the 5 and 6 and player 2 places 8 and 9 as above and just dont play the 4 and 10 unless its the point.

Would the casino have a problem with this??
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SOOPOO
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September 25th, 2011 at 8:39:59 AM permalink
No....
buzzpaff
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September 25th, 2011 at 9:03:35 AM permalink
Let's get 11 friends, take over the table, and win 4 times as much ??
dwheatley
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September 25th, 2011 at 9:06:19 AM permalink
The casino wouldn't have a problem with this because 3 people playing a losing game add up to .... 3 times the losing.

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Clownkeeper
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September 25th, 2011 at 9:12:17 AM permalink
So what makes this such a bad idea???
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buzzpaff
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September 25th, 2011 at 9:39:23 AM permalink
Lets see, three times the losing action equals, OMG, it can't be 3 times the losses in the long run, can it ??? I wonder !!
FinsRule
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September 25th, 2011 at 9:51:17 AM permalink
I am confused why you need a team. Can't you figure out a way to accomplish all of this by yourself pretty much?
Mosca
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September 25th, 2011 at 12:50:51 PM permalink
If you took three times the bankroll, and did it all yourself, you wouldn't have to cut the other two guys in on all the spoils. That's three times as much, and all for you.

Just sayin'.
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heather
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September 25th, 2011 at 2:45:34 PM permalink
Yeah. Since they're all betting Pass, I don't see why this wouldn't work with just one person placing all the bets.

Incidentally, they all lose everything on the table every time seven hits because they're all right-way.
NandB
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October 5th, 2011 at 1:16:02 AM permalink
Well-done Heather, they get skewered. Sounds like a tourist trip. Lets all bet the with the shooter and see who wins more. When in fact, its really who loses less.

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October 5th, 2011 at 1:27:36 AM permalink
Quote: Clownkeeper

Im sure this has been thought of before



when it comes to gambling, everything has been thought of!
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October 5th, 2011 at 5:17:11 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

when it comes to gambling, everything has been thought of!

Yeah, thats why you are better off on Big Red than trying to come up with some newfangled game variation.

This "lets get three players with a 500 bankroll" is the same as "lets get one player with a 1500 bankroll". That's the reason a Team Straddle works in a casino. A husband and wife can straddle the color box on a roulette table ... to the casino its just two bets each with a negative expectation. They don't care if the bettors are strangers or share a marital bed.

You can come up with convoluted patterns for this team betting system but it all boils down to a Pass Line bet is 1.414 percent house edge. A roulette bet is 5.26 percent house edge. And its the same way percentage if the bettors are part of a team or not. You can bet on Black or Red or Both. It makes no difference, the House is betting on Green.
MrV
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October 5th, 2011 at 8:27:44 AM permalink
Team play at a game with a negative expectation: "Eureka!"
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kp
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October 5th, 2011 at 8:53:30 AM permalink
As others have pointed out, this will not change the overall odds of the game. But it does sound like a fun way for three guys to spend a Saturday night.

Yes, the 4/10 guy may bomb out early on a bad run and be the first one heading to the bar, but next week he'll be the one with the rack full of black chips and buying the first round.
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October 5th, 2011 at 2:08:15 PM permalink
I'm still trying to figure out how this is any better than one person betting $15 on the pass and buying the 4 and 10, placing the 5 and 9, and the 6 and 8.

If it's just a matter of having three people play craps while covering all of the numbers, then I would be the person wanting the 6 and 8 at all times, as the other rolls have a lower HA.

If the place only charges commission on a win, I would split the bets up so that the person buying the 4 also gets the 5, and the person buying the 10 and gets the 9. That will make the HE comparable to the person betting the 6/8.
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