Alan
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August 18th, 2011 at 2:47:37 PM permalink
And you do have the choice to have those odds you're talking about on-on the come out roll. Yes, you would lose all of it if a 7 is rolled on the come out roll, however, if your point is rolled on the come out roll you will win your flat bet plus the odds you had on that number. There is no reason not to have your odds NOT working on the come out roll; it doesn't matter to the dice either way.
akd1217
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August 18th, 2011 at 3:39:18 PM permalink
Why does the practice game allow me to place a PL bet after the come out roll? lol You cannot really do that, right? Also, can u increase your PL bet after the point is est? I believe it allowed that also...so if that's the case, wouldn't I increase my bets when a point is established that has a higher chance of being rolled?
Alan
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August 18th, 2011 at 4:24:01 PM permalink
Quote: akd1217

Why does the practice game allow me to place a PL bet after the come out roll?

Are you sure you're not adding to your pass line bet? That's probably what you're doing. You can do that, however it is not advisable, because once you get past the come out roll and you are on the pass line(with a pass line number established), the odds of losing increases. Your best shot of winning on the pass line is on the come out roll(7-11).

Quote: akd1217

Also, can u increase your PL bet after the point is est?

Yes, but see above. That's why it's advisable to add whatever you'd want to add to the pass line bet to the odds side(there is no house edge, as many of us have tried to explain).

Quote: akd1217

wouldn't I increase my bets when a point is established that has a higher chance of being rolled?

First off dice have no memory of previous numbers rolled..so....
The only time you're in the drivers seat is when you've got a don't point established. Playing the dont's or wrong way, the killer is the come out roll, if you establish a point on the don't side you are at an advantage, however it is no guarantee of a win. Those established don't bets can be picked off one after another, which sucks!

Added an edit: to say that, that's why the pass line is a contract bet, it is not allowable to take that bet down (or back) after the come out roll-the only advantage, as slim as it is, is on the come out roll for the pass line player. While it is allowable to take down(or back) your don't pass bet once it moves to a point(this is a very bad move-to take it down after the point is established).
akd1217
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August 18th, 2011 at 5:06:28 PM permalink
I realize dice have no memory of previous numbers rolled. That goes without saying. I will give an example of what I meant. There are 5 ways to roll a six for instance. If a PL point of 6 is established, would I be better off placing more odds on that point than I would say a 3, of which there are only 2 ways of rolling that. Idk if that makes any sense, that's why I am asking the question...lol
DJTeddyBear
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August 18th, 2011 at 5:41:37 PM permalink
First: The 3 is not a point.

Second: For arguments sake, assume you meant a 4. The odds on a 4 pay more than a 6. Since it's true odds, in the end, it's all the same.

Third: YES, you CAN place or increase a pass line bet at any time. You can't reduce it though. But because the odds are now against you, placing or increasing a Pass bet after the point is established is not something that most people will want to do.
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Alan
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August 18th, 2011 at 5:53:21 PM permalink
I like to play the dont's or wrong way(not typically with the crowd at the table) the reason being is that I like to win all my don't bets all at once(7-out) as opposed to one at a time(point after point after point, which have to be hit one at a time or picked off one at a time). A lot of players don't like to lay odds(put up more \$\$ to win less because it feels kind of weird, and yes, if your don't number gets picked off, your odds lose too).
akd1217
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August 19th, 2011 at 9:13:31 PM permalink
Ok, I did make a total mistake of choosing a three to make an example of a point. lol I assure those of you kind enough to give me advice and explanations, that even tho I have been asking a lot of crazy questions, I understood the concept of a 3 and had a total brain fart.

I must say, everyone was absolutely right about practing to fully see how it all works, and it has been helping me tremendously. Looking back, my questions, especially the last one, have been a bit silly. But, I've read craps is a game that newbies have a hard time wrapping their head around at first, so thanks for talking me through what seemed confusing to me. We are headed to Vegas in about 2 weeks, and am very excited to play casino blackjack and craps both for the first time. Wish me luck!
odiousgambit
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August 20th, 2011 at 2:59:13 AM permalink
pay us back with a trip report!
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DJTeddyBear
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August 20th, 2011 at 4:37:45 AM permalink
Brain fart? Yeah, that happens. Glad to see that's what it was. Your questions were making it seem like you were getting it, then that happened! LOL

One last piece of advice:

Craps tends to be fast and furious, with a language all it's own. It is the only game where you can throw money, announce some archaic sounding statement, and it's a bet.

If possible, play at a less crowded table, and tell the dealers you are new. And tip. This will prompt them to help you out and explain things that they might not otherwise bother to explain.

Try not to have a brain fart at the tables. It's OK to have the other kind. Most casinos have great ventilation systems.

And good luck!
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? Note that the same could be said for Religion. I.E. Religion is nothing more than organized superstition.
Laymedown
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March 23rd, 2018 at 12:19:43 PM permalink
Quote: akd1217

You've all been there, and I will be following footsteps in less than a month. I am interested in playing craps, but have never before tried. I understand the basics, but is it necessary to understand every type of bet? I won't lie, my bankroll will probably be half as much as most of you use in one session, as we are wanting to take in more of Vegas on our first trip than gambling. :) Wondered if you had any advice as to a solid strategy for a beginner player. Is it viable to only play PL? Do I play odds or no? Come bets? I realize this is always depending on the person, but I want other's opinions. Low roller or not, it would always be nice to walk away with more than I started with and I simply want the best chance of doing that. Thanks!

Bet minimum on Pass line & minimum on Don't Pass along with 1.00 chip on TWELVE. after a number is established put MAX ODDS behind your pass line bet.

Don't worry about any other bets on the table.
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