Paigowdan
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May 19th, 2011 at 1:42:21 PM permalink
Yeah, they are.....
A "thank you" and a very quiet tap & drop is all the noise that is called for.....anything louder is hustling....
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May 19th, 2011 at 2:31:53 PM permalink
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Yeah, they are.....
A "thank you" and a very quiet tap & drop is all the noise that is called for.....anything louder is hustling....



I think you're too strict on what you call a hustle. But as you are a dealer, I'll defer to your judgment. perhaps I'm more easy-going about delaer doings than most other palyers, I mean as far as what I mind them doing for tips.
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May 19th, 2011 at 2:46:19 PM permalink
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On the Hoover Dam tour I took, I wasn't sure whether or not to tip the bus driver/tour guide. Among her spiel, she mentioned tips and a long list of people to tip, including her.



A good friend of mine is a tour guide, who does the Hoover Dam tour about half the time. Off the job, you better have an hour to spare if you ask him about tipping etiquette of tour guides. On the job, he is strictly prohibited from answering the question with anything more than something vague like, "Yes, we are allowed to accept tips."

On the way he has the guests read aloud from a paper that says the trips rules. On this paper it says something about tipping is appreciated. However, he says that much of the time the person who is supposed to read that part skips over it. When that happens, he says, he knows he will probably get nothing. To make a long story short, I think he would be delighted to get a 10% tip.
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May 19th, 2011 at 2:52:27 PM permalink
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I think you're too strict on what you call a hustle. But as you are a dealer, I'll defer to your judgment. perhaps I'm more easy-going about delaer doings than most other palyers, I mean as far as what I mind them doing for tips.



I feel the same way, Nareed. I think it's just a louder "thank you". If it makes other people want to "ring the bell", so be it.

I suppose they could do the traditional Deli or Take Out Restaurant; put a ratty old jar on the table next to the pass line that says "Tips!" with a smiley face. (Or better "College Fund!") It's interesting because places like Subway have no problem with a small tip jar, but I remember once placing a very large order for my floor in college at McDonalds and I tried to let the cashier keep the change (maybe $2.42 on a ~$58 order) and she said "No, we aren't allowed to..." (I don't remember seeing a Ronald McDonald house Bin at the time...) Perhaps an analysis of which fast food places allow and which prohibit, or maybe it's a franchise thing.
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May 19th, 2011 at 3:04:26 PM permalink
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A good friend of mine is a tour guide, who does the Hoover Dam tour about half the time. Off the job, you better have an hour to spare if you ask him about tipping etiquette of tour guides. On the job, he is strictly prohibited from answering the question with anything more than something vague like, "Yes, we are allowed to accept tips."



The Showtime driver did not talk for perhaps 3 minutes while driving. She had something to say about every fire hydrant and bush along the way, or so it seems. A lot of it was interesting.

Anyway, at some point, I forget where, she started talking about tipping. She described Vegas as a "tip town," explaining you were expected to tip almost everyone you run accross. and naturally she included the tour guide/driver in the litany.

As I said, I don't mind. I'd had half made up my mind to offer a tip anyway.

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To make a long story short, I think he would be delighted to get a 10% tip.



You know, when figuring out how much to tip the tour guide, I never once thought about the price of the tour. I gave her $5, now I wonder if it should have been more. I don't recall now how much I paid for the tour three years ago... Now I'm going to feel bad until I dig up through Gmail how much it cost. I liked her. She was nice, had interesting things to say, and we even had a brief chat about chocolate over a smoke.
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May 19th, 2011 at 3:25:55 PM permalink
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I feel the same way, Nareed. I think it's just a louder "thank you". If it makes other people want to "ring the bell", so be it.



That's my view: if you live off tips, you ought to let customers know tips are expected even if they're optional.

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I suppose they could do the traditional Deli or Take Out Restaurant; put a ratty old jar on the table next to the pass line that says "Tips!" with a smiley face. (Or better "College Fund!")



Oh, you just opened a big can of worms. Even peopel who make it a point to tip, are bitterly divided about tipping where there's no table service.

As for casinos, they could also put the tip box where players can see it, with a "TIPS" sign on it.
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May 19th, 2011 at 4:04:55 PM permalink
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I gave her $5, now I wonder if it should have been more. I don't recall now how much I paid for the tour three years ago... Now I'm going to feel bad until I dig up through Gmail how much it cost. I liked her. She was nice, had interesting things to say, and we even had a brief chat about chocolate over a smoke.



$5 is kind of chincy. For what it is worth, we Yanks have lower tipping expectations of our foreign guests. A 3-hour Hoover Dam tour probably would have been about $100, so a $10 tip would have been good.
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May 19th, 2011 at 4:27:35 PM permalink
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$5 is kind of chincy. For what it is worth, we Yanks have lower tipping expectations of our foreign guests. A 3-hour Hoover Dam tour probably would have been about $100, so a $10 tip would have been good.



According to Expedia, I paid $61.50 for "activities." This includes both the tour and the roundtrip airport shuttle. The shuttle, as I recall, cost $13 last year, so it might have cost that in 08 too. But let's say it cost $10 in 08, then for the tour I paid $51.50, so I shorted the tour guide 15 cents in tips.

Usually I tip 10% in restaurants. That's about standard in Mexico. I may tip a little more if I go with a large party, or if the check is too low. Also for really good service. At a buffet I tip $2 to $5 depending on service.

Cabs are more complicated. In Mexico cabbies no longer expect tips. I tip them between 5 and 10 pesos, depending on how long the trip was, not how much it cost. That's low, but against no tip it's ok. Besides, about 95% of local cabbies either own their cab, and may or may not pay a cut to a base, or are paid a percentage of the day's take. Anyway, in the US I'll tip 10%.
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May 19th, 2011 at 8:12:05 PM permalink
I was still on the fence about the felt bet for the dealers, but I didn't see anyone mention one thing...They put it on the worst possible bet on the table. Did they do that to get the players to also bet the bad bet (which they wouldn't have to do...I'd think it would be the dealer bet following the player bet, not the other way around)? Or did they really just take an extra ~6 cents from every dollar tipped? For that malpractice, I am against the bet.

A good dealer, if asked about the "7 for the dealers" would say, "It's a way to give the workers a tip. If you'd like to tip, please ignore the very rude shakedown bet placed on the table, and instead consider placing a bet on the 3 to 6 or 8 to 11 bet."
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May 19th, 2011 at 10:50:55 PM permalink
cclub79,
excellent comment.
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