Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, we know what you mean.Quote: konceptum
I will also state that this is the only casino that I've played where the craps dealers can choose whether or not to keep their tip bets active on the table. I'm sure I'm not using the correct terminology on this. Typical casino example is that, let's say you put down a $1 bet on a hard-10 for the boys. Hard-10 gets rolled. Dealers will get paid, and the $1 bet comes down. I've seen things done this way in almost every other casino I've been in. In fact, I was told once that I should play the $1 tip on my own bet, and then pay the boys the amount the $1 would have won. That way, the $1 tip stays live on my bet, instead of coming down, and then me having to put up another $1 bet for the boys. (I hope this makes sense to everybody. If not, I'll try to re-clarify it.)
Player control. Yes. I had forgotten that term. Man, it's really been a while since I've gambled. Sheesh.
The casino I've referring to is not in Las Vegas.
I don't feel it is criminal (and neither do most boxmen) if, during a hot session, a dealer discreetly and politely requests $1 and states that it's "for the boys," whating for an okay by the player. That's okay. The novice player learns that an occasional tip is a fine practice, and he would not have otherwise known. So as long as the player is up, and the action is announced for the player to approve it, and it's modest, say a dollar, it's okay. The first time my father took me to a fancy, sit-down restaurant and left money on the table, I asked "Dad, what is that for?" EVERYBODY was once a novice in everything.
However, what's never okay is to:
1. keep a winning bet up without the player throwing in a brand new toke bet. This "replay the toke bet action" constitutes a dealer directly putting a "down tip" back into action for some on-the-job gambling.
2. to ever skim from a player's full winning payout for a hand-in tip or toke bet, announced or not.
There's no harm in outing a casino committing abuses; if they've stopped, then they've stopped. If they hadn't, you've done something. Find out, if possible.
By all means, Contact the Gaming Control Board jurisdiction in your area with this stuff, especially if you want to see abuses stopped if they hadn't.
At the Riverside in Laughlin, the dealers hustle you for tips all of the time. They have finally left me alone, though--for the most part. The problem I have is that sometimes the players don't know they are betting for the dealers, and they automatically put themselves back up after prop wins
Riverside Casino Laughlin, NV dealers are pushed to hustle tokes and coincidently they make the most money of any other casino in Laughlin
Best served, being a craps dealer in laughlin... would you be familiar with the crew at riverside casino? I am a frequent visitor to laughlin, mostly to shoot dice around the area and i try to avoid shooting dice there. I am a good tipper, i also do small tokes even if losing, but i cant stand being hustle for tokes while i am playing. If you are ahead a few bets, expect them to beg and sometimes help themselfs to your money. I saw them do this to an old lady while the pit boss just sit there. Really strange, i never come across an crew like that. Not sure if this is still there policy, as i had not stop there for at least a year now.
Las Vegas Sun Article
During last year’s testimony on the case, a manager at Don Laughlin’s Riverside Resort testified that dealers at the Laughlin casino had been sharing tips with their supervisors for years.