AZDuffman
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April 24th, 2011 at 9:36:36 AM permalink
Quote: Yoyomama

I try to keep to just the pass and come bets when I teach others. But they seem to be distracted by all the money being bet on all the table. It's probably best to learn away from a casino.



With 95+ bets on the table it is hard to keep even the best student form asking "but what is that bet" all the time. My thought for craps dealer school was a table with a layout that you could "uncover" as you learned more and more. For example, come in day one and all you can see are passline and board. Day 2 the covering comes off and day 2 the field bet is exposed. Day the DP is exposed. Ansd so on.

To make a "trainer" website would be fairly easy. To make money off of it much more hard. To not lose my profits at craps next to impossible.......... :-)
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odiousgambit
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April 24th, 2011 at 9:40:07 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

The field bet ... a one roll bet.



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FleaStiff
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April 24th, 2011 at 9:53:12 AM permalink
The lessons at the Venetian make use of a set of signs that cover the layout and emphasize the basic bets, payouts, etc.

I've long felt that dealer's schools should have an expanded layout such as you describe. Center bets and hop bets just don't need to be included in an introductory lesson.
SOOPOO
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April 24th, 2011 at 10:14:13 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff



On a Florida Day-Boat, they closed the craps table after they got hit by a team several years ago.



OK. I'll bite. What bet did this 'team' make that they had an advantage over the casino? Does this casino close a slot machine after someone hits a jackpot on it?
Also- stating that craps is a difficult game to learn is a damning statement about the general public. (I'm not saying it isn't true, just damning).
I would surmise one reason that craps seems to be die-ing is that to be able stay at the table for any lenggth of time you need lady luck to shine on you more than at other games like BJ, Pai Gow. I can go sit for hours at Paigow $10 table with $200 stake, but that might last me 15 minutes at craps. Of course in 15 minutes my $200 might be doubled at craps, and might be $230 at paigow with equivalent amounts of luck.
AZDuffman
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April 24th, 2011 at 10:16:28 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

The lessons at the Venetian make use of a set of signs that cover the layout and emphasize the basic bets, payouts, etc.

I've long felt that dealer's schools should have an expanded layout such as you describe. Center bets and hop bets just don't need to be included in an introductory lesson.



Funny, halfwayu thru dealer school is when I thought of it. For as good as our dealer school was the ideas for improvement were so easy. I am still amazed they used my "rotation" idea almost exactly as I suggested. How they missed it before is beyond me.
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April 24th, 2011 at 12:01:12 PM permalink
Seems to be DIE-ING? OUCH!
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April 24th, 2011 at 12:12:12 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

OK. I'll bite. What bet did this 'team' make that they had an advantage over the casino? Does this casino close a slot machine after someone hits a jackpot on it?



I presume the "team" is cooperating on past posting and other kinds of cheats. If you have a dealer as part of the team, it could be particularly effective.
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April 24th, 2011 at 1:26:11 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

OK. I'll bite. What bet did this 'team' make that they had an advantage over the casino?

Sorry. My earlier post must have been unclear. About a decade ago the Florida Day Boat was targeted by a team of dice crooks that are well trained to block the Boxman's view at critical times, inject their own dice into the game, etc. This was several years ago and the casino's response was to simply not staff the craps table. Then a few years ago they reopened the craps table but were doing it only Friday thru Sunday, now its open Thursday evening through Sunday.
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April 24th, 2011 at 2:24:49 PM permalink
Where I play (mostly local's casinos in Henderson and Vegas) I see lots of players, and they are often young (~30 years old). It seems to be growing a bit to me.
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April 24th, 2011 at 2:43:21 PM permalink
Quote: Yoyomama

I seem to see the same old (older) faces each time I visit my casinos. No new blood. Do you agree? What is needed to get more and younger players?



Outside of LV I think craps is holding it's own. In the river boats I've seen a head count drop in the past 3 years, but the percentage of Craps action seems the same to me. As far as LV craps goes, I always have to lower my expectations when I visit LV. BJ and Craps both suck in LV. Far better rules, much friendlier outside of LV. Personally I'd not recommend a newbie start playing craps in LV. Much too intimidating and unfriendly there.

LV:
2x to 3/4/5
2x field 12
29/14x props
$10-15 min, low max bets (100x min)
dealers hustling tokes (not as bad as a used to be)
surly and rude box/pit
on the plus side, LV dealers are the fastest and most accurate.

riverboats:
20x-100x
3x field 12
30/15x props
$5 min, higher max bets (1000x min)
on the negative side, a lot of lumps, a lot of break ins

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