kenarman
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June 18th, 2011 at 8:28:18 PM permalink


I am trying to decide Paco if you quoting Paris is a new high or a new low for this forum (;
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pacomartin
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June 19th, 2011 at 2:42:37 AM permalink
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I am trying to decide Paco if you quoting Paris is a new high or a new low for this forum (;


I was hoping to get something about "haters" to match the previous statement, plus a good contrast with the high culture of playing craps.
FleaStiff
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June 19th, 2011 at 3:05:22 AM permalink
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the high culture of playing craps.

Culture? Mickey Spillane got it right: America has always sold far more salted peanuts than caviar. Craps? Culture? Heck, some craps players are such degenerate bums that the waitresses have to be careful because that plastic cup on the drink ledge may not be full of beer! Yet, when some young Internet millionaires were meeting in Vegas they held a very productive conference break-out session at Bally's 5.00 craps table! Craps culture? I don't know. Are those who believe in dice setting capable of being termed cultured? Is someone who says chicken dinner several hundred times a day properly referred to as being cultured? Is it cultured to say "stick" when a guy is wearing a name tag? Is it cultured for him to want you to use his name rather than stick? Is the person with the most chips the one who is the most cultured? Or is it the degenerate shot taker the one who is the most cultured?
AZDuffman
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June 19th, 2011 at 5:57:30 AM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

I was hoping to get something about "haters" to match the previous statement, plus a good contrast with the high culture of playing craps.



Who the heck wants "high culture?" I want to be able to tell "stick chick" about giving her some hardway action without getting my face slapped. (Or telling same to stickman without picking mhy teeth up off the floor after.) I want to hear a bunch of babble about bets being placed ("$5 yo, on the hook!) that no outsider knows much less cares about. I want the look the "smart" guy's chick gives to me when I explain to him about a DP bet and how I can pick it up but he cannot pick up his pass and he looks amazed, but I know HE told HER just minutes ago "Watch me, honey, I know everything about this game." And I like his deer-in-the-headlights look at me because HE asked ME about that DP Line and I was otherwise minding my own business.

Then I like his look when I switch back to Pass. I love my feeling that he is amazed but I know mathematically it does not matter.

I like the snickering at the player who only bets Field by the plyers who know Field should only be used as part of an "Iron Cross" bet if even then. I like that when I explain my "Modified Iron Cross" bet the person sometimes looks at me as if I am a genius when I know it is only a winner in long rolls. I like that all real craps players look at the Big Six Wheel and consider it a tour bus for those who think Wal-Mart is the best store on earth.

Culture? Go to the opera if you want it. I'd trade all the "high culture" in the world for a roll of 50 before the point or 7.
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Doc
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June 19th, 2011 at 7:31:46 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

... a very productive conference break-out session at Bally's 5.00 craps table! ...


Recently? I just spent a week at Bally's and never saw the table minimum go below $10. Not late at night, early morning, weekday afternoon, at no time even when I was just passing through the casino floor. I did play at $5 tables at Bill's, Excalibur, Gold Coast, and Golden Nugget, and Croupier and I played a little while at a $1 table at the Hacienda when we went out to visit the dam. But I haven't found a $5 crap table at Bally's recently.

I also played at a number of $10 tables at Bally's, Encore, and elsewhere. I should note that every casino I visited this past week had a $10 (or lower) table operating except one. I was in the Cosmopolitan Las Vegas on a Friday night, and their crap tables were a mix of $25 minimum and $100 minimum, though I have previously played there during the daytime for $10. I thought a $100 minimum for craps was pretty steep for tables that they weren't trying to make private, but at least one $100 table was getting fairly heavy use. I chose not to play at those rates. I also noted a reserved table at Encore where the lone player was wagering stacks of what I believe were $1,000 chips. They were probably yellow, but they looked almost white (the $1 chips there have a blue rim.) I didn't wander close enough to read the faces of the chips he was playing -- didn't seem like a good idea.
FleaStiff
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June 19th, 2011 at 8:51:20 AM permalink
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Recently?

No, 'bout five years ago.
>Hacienda
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Doc
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June 19th, 2011 at 11:38:25 AM permalink
At the Hacienda, they were only offering 2x. For a $2 pass line wager like Croupier and I were making, they allowed $5 odds on a point of 6 or 8. (Is that "full double odds"?) Place bets were a minimum of $3, and placing 6 or 8 for less than $6 paid even money. With that rule, some of the folks at the table were playing the big 6 & 8, for which they allowed $1 wagers.

I took the $1 game as just being something for minor amusement, which is what Croupier and I were playing it for, plus for his souvenir chip opportunity. His wife was playing $2 blackjack at the time. (I think they used metal tokens as $1 chips at the blackjack tables.) Come to think of it, we all three came out ahead at the Hacienda, and I won the same amount that I lost at poker at WoVCon, so maybe there was more than just minor amusement!

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