January 16th, 2021 at 2:04:58 PM
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I'm trying to fathom HA based on different betting amounts, specifically on the lay 6 or 8, because that's as far as I've gotten today.
Vig on win only
And since a $30 bet pays $25 before the vig, does that bet count as a $25 bet on a $25 table minimum?
So what's the HA when the vig is paid upfront on all bets?
Vig on win only
Bet | 5:6 Pay | Pay | HA |
---|---|---|---|
$24 | $20 | $19 | 2.2727% |
$30 | $25 | $24 | 1.8182% |
$36 | $30 | $29 | 1.5151% |
$42 | $35 | $33 | 2.5974% |
$48 | $40 | $38 | 2.2727% |
And since a $30 bet pays $25 before the vig, does that bet count as a $25 bet on a $25 table minimum?
So what's the HA when the vig is paid upfront on all bets?
January 16th, 2021 at 6:44:19 PM
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Just found a betting scheme where I only lay the 6 or 8 if the bet has a 2.222% HA. So a $96 bet with a $4 vig pays $80; $4/$180 = 2.222%. But that's when the vig is paid to the dealer on a win. What's the HA when the vig is paid no matter what? Tables in my area seem to want a vig no matter what.
January 17th, 2021 at 5:44:40 AM
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I had a long response, but tersely, you never play vig-up-front bets on craps. I wouldn't make myself look inept by discussing the details, frankly, either.
January 17th, 2021 at 8:56:34 PM
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I thought I read that if the table minimum is $25, the prop bet minimum is $5, so I'd have to bet $5 on the hard ways if I chose not to make any other $25 bets.
So if the table minimum is $100 on the pass line, is the table minimum on the hard ways $25?
So if the table minimum is $100 on the pass line, is the table minimum on the hard ways $25?
January 17th, 2021 at 10:00:12 PM
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Is this right?
Vig rounded down to $1
4/10: 1/(79+39) =0.8474% HA
5/9: 1/(58+38) =1.0416% HA
6/8: 1/(43+35) = 1.2820% HA
Vig rounded down to $1
4/10: 1/(79+39) =0.8474% HA
5/9: 1/(58+38) =1.0416% HA
6/8: 1/(43+35) = 1.2820% HA
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February 15th, 2021 at 12:53:26 PM
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Quote: ChapzIs this right?
Vig rounded down to $1
4/10: 1/(79+39) =0.8474% HA
5/9: 1/(58+38) =1.0416% HA
6/8: 1/(43+35) = 1.2820% HA
No. When the vig is rounded down, you're being shorted $1 out of $75 due to be returned.
1.33% is the HA%, which is one over seventy-five.
This is one of the few bets on the table with a lower HA% compared to the pass-line (flat without odds).
There aren't many. Combined with a double-pay, this is a great bet, but it goes to the case of the $20 multiple quickly, which is 1/60 which is 1.66% and not as good as the pass line.
February 15th, 2021 at 1:05:12 PM
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Quote: AhighNo. When the vig is rounded down, you're being shorted $1 out of $75 due to be returned.
1.33% is the HA%, which is one over seventy-five.
This is one of the few bets on the table with a lower HA% compared to the pass-line (flat without odds).
There aren't many. Combined with a double-pay, this is a great bet, but it goes to the case of the $20 multiple quickly, which is 1/60 which is 1.66% and not as good as the pass line.
The example is laying $78 on 4/10 for a $1 vig vs. $1.95.
The edge goes down to .8474%, right?
Edit:
Or is it 1/79 1.27%?
All assuming vig is paid upfront.
Last edited by: Chapz on Feb 15, 2021
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