ChumpChange
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January 16th, 2021 at 2:04:58 PM permalink
I'm trying to fathom HA based on different betting amounts, specifically on the lay 6 or 8, because that's as far as I've gotten today.
Vig on win only


Bet 5:6 Pay Pay HA
$24 $20 $19 2.2727%
$30 $25 $24 1.8182%
$36 $30 $29 1.5151%
$42 $35 $33 2.5974%
$48 $40 $38 2.2727%



And since a $30 bet pays $25 before the vig, does that bet count as a $25 bet on a $25 table minimum?

So what's the HA when the vig is paid upfront on all bets?
ChumpChange
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January 16th, 2021 at 6:44:19 PM permalink
Just found a betting scheme where I only lay the 6 or 8 if the bet has a 2.222% HA. So a $96 bet with a $4 vig pays $80; $4/$180 = 2.222%. But that's when the vig is paid to the dealer on a win. What's the HA when the vig is paid no matter what? Tables in my area seem to want a vig no matter what.
Ahigh
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January 17th, 2021 at 5:44:40 AM permalink
I had a long response, but tersely, you never play vig-up-front bets on craps. I wouldn't make myself look inept by discussing the details, frankly, either.
ChumpChange
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January 17th, 2021 at 8:56:34 PM permalink
I thought I read that if the table minimum is $25, the prop bet minimum is $5, so I'd have to bet $5 on the hard ways if I chose not to make any other $25 bets.
So if the table minimum is $100 on the pass line, is the table minimum on the hard ways $25?
Chapz
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January 17th, 2021 at 10:00:12 PM permalink
Is this right?

Vig rounded down to $1

4/10: 1/(79+39) =0.8474% HA
5/9: 1/(58+38) =1.0416% HA
6/8: 1/(43+35) = 1.2820% HA
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Ahigh
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February 15th, 2021 at 12:53:26 PM permalink
Quote: Chapz

Is this right?

Vig rounded down to $1

4/10: 1/(79+39) =0.8474% HA
5/9: 1/(58+38) =1.0416% HA
6/8: 1/(43+35) = 1.2820% HA



No. When the vig is rounded down, you're being shorted $1 out of $75 due to be returned.

1.33% is the HA%, which is one over seventy-five.

This is one of the few bets on the table with a lower HA% compared to the pass-line (flat without odds).

There aren't many. Combined with a double-pay, this is a great bet, but it goes to the case of the $20 multiple quickly, which is 1/60 which is 1.66% and not as good as the pass line.
Chapz
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February 15th, 2021 at 1:05:12 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

No. When the vig is rounded down, you're being shorted $1 out of $75 due to be returned.

1.33% is the HA%, which is one over seventy-five.

This is one of the few bets on the table with a lower HA% compared to the pass-line (flat without odds).

There aren't many. Combined with a double-pay, this is a great bet, but it goes to the case of the $20 multiple quickly, which is 1/60 which is 1.66% and not as good as the pass line.



The example is laying $78 on 4/10 for a $1 vig vs. $1.95.

The edge goes down to .8474%, right?

Edit:

Or is it 1/79 1.27%?

All assuming vig is paid upfront.
Last edited by: Chapz on Feb 15, 2021
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