Nathan
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February 28th, 2019 at 12:38:21 PM permalink
Quote: LusciousSweet2

I don't mean to be rude, but why are you giving me Craps advice? I play Craps in real life and would know more about it than you do. You yourself mentioned you have never played Craps in real life, you have only played a Craps App. No offense, but I honestly think only people who have at least tried the Craps at least once in real life should be giving Craps advice.



I'll confess something else. When I gave you that Craps advice, I was going through a"Trying to look like an AP," thing like I tend to do at times.
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February 28th, 2019 at 2:22:12 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

I'll confess something else. When I gave you that Craps advice, I was going through a"Trying to look like an AP," thing like I tend to do at times.



Is this performance art?
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February 28th, 2019 at 10:59:58 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Is this performance art?



Maybe "Come across as an AP would have been a better choice of words. ;)
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March 1st, 2019 at 1:34:17 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

I'll confess something else. When I gave you that Craps advice, I was going through a"Trying to look like an AP," thing like I tend to do at times.



You had me convinced.
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March 1st, 2019 at 3:29:32 PM permalink
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You had me convinced.



I will tentatively give you a high five because of the possibility of that being really sarcastic. :) :/
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March 1st, 2019 at 4:41:06 PM permalink
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I will tentatively give you a high five because of the possibility of that being really sarcastic. :) :/

Nathan, This thread is not about you. Please desist from hijacking it.
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March 1st, 2019 at 5:44:20 PM permalink
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Nathan, This thread is not about you. Please desist from hijacking it.


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March 14th, 2019 at 3:45:39 AM permalink
Quote: LusciousSweet2

Hi. I love craps but lately I have been getting bad streaks. I was on a hot streak last year and made $20,000 just by betting Field and Don't Come. This month, I have already lost $1000 on really bad don't Come and Field Rolls. I however got a Royal Flush on video Poker earlier this month for another $20,000. So I'm still in the black, and that's what really matters.



First and foremost, don't bet the field when the house edge is 2.78% And definitely don't bet the field when the house edge is 5.56% (paying double on both the twelve and the two as in Caesar's Properties last time I checked).

IE: don't bet the field.

There is a distinct class of players who knows the math and will bet their entire bankroll on the field as their last roll.

I did this myself, and it's quite fun. But again, it's an entire class of players. Not just a few.

But the guys who are betting the field every roll are the same guys who bet the any craps. Same guys that bet the "midnight" and start hooting and hollerin'. Don't be one of those guys. They are trained by the casino personnel and they are not too bright.

I have videos on youtube that tell you how to bet craps the smart way.

It's simply.

You wait for the puck to say "OFF" while it is on the "Don't Come" area of the felt. That's the comeout roll.

Then you bet the don't pass. If the dealer tells you "you can't bet that bet" you can thank me for telling your new-to-craps-playing-self to play the don't because you'd probably be making a 33.33% house advantage bet on the pass line after a four or ten is established. That why I tell you new players to bet the don't pass because they won't ALLOW you to bet it after the comeout roll, and people taking this advice probably have zero clue.

After everyone else at the table tries to tell you how to bet, just tell them, "HEY SHOVE IT BRO. THE BEST CRAPS PLAYER IN THE UNIVERSE TOLD ME TO BET THE DON'T PASS BITCH. EAT SHIT AND DIE." You can clean the language up a little bit, but really, you can say that if you want.

Again, you bet the don't so the dealers will keep you from making a mistake. And if they miss you late-betting the don't pass, you will get a nice little reward in EV for it. Just don't tell them you did it on purpose, or it's a felony. Alright? Ignorance is bliss, sir.

Now you might be thinking, "oh now I bet the DC" or "oh now I bet the ___" .. no you don't.

You lay odds and that's it. You don't bet any other stupid bets, and if you do, you don't ask me any more questions.

Because that's all there is to it.

You always lay a multiple of 6 to your don't pass bet if you can afford it. And if you can't you lay a multiple of $6 starting at an amount to win the table minimum. IE: Lay to win $25/26 on a $25 table ($50 on 4/10, $39 on 5/9, $30 on 6/8). On a five dollar table you lay $10 to win $5 on 4/10 (or some mutiple), $9 to win 6 on 5/9 (or some multiple), $6 to win $5 (or some multiple).

That is IT. Period.

So a $25 table (where you'll play if you are a real man at a real casino), you will play 345x odds at a very classy table at a very classy casino.

You will bet $25 don't pass.

The point is established.

Point 4 or 10: Lay $50, $52, $54, $56 on up to $150 in increments of $2 according to what you wish to risk that you will win 2 out of 3 attempts on average.
Point 5 or 9: Lay $39, $42, $45, $48, $51, $54, $57, $60, up to $150 to win $100 (always lay a multiple of $3 starting at $39 to win $26)
Point 6 or 8: Lay $30, $36, $42, $48, $54, $60, $66, $72, up to $150 to win $125

Notice the maximum lay is $150 in each case? That is 6x your $25 don't pass bet. The smartest gambler concerned with getting the most volatility for his negative EV is going to be 6x on each and every number ($150 on a $25 table).

It's actually very simple.

And do NOT bet the DC.

And do NOT bet the field.

And DO tip the dealer, but only when you color (IMO).

If you lose everything, do NOT tip the dealer. Bet it on a longshot instead.

Use every dollar you have to get it back and only tip the dealers if you win. That's just my damn opinion if you're trying to win, you don't tip along the way because it makes it SO much harder to win.

You DO tip the cocktail waitress for each drink. That insurance that you don't get some infection from the drink.

This information has to be in about 200 different places, including the advice that if you want to bet the pass, the odds aren't as good, but it's pretty much the same on the math if you do it right.

But people asking these questions RARELY DO get it right. That's why I say "bet the don't pass" because if you make a mistake, they'll exclaim "NO BET!!!!" and push your chip back at you.

You learn more quickly this way, friend. And it costs nothing but shame. Shame is free.
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March 14th, 2019 at 4:41:05 AM permalink
Hi Aaron ... taking some snips. 
Quote: Ahigh

... Now you might be thinking, "oh now I bet the DC" or "oh now I bet the ___" .. no you don't.


You lay odds and that's it.  You don't bet any other stupid bets, and if you do, you don't ask me any more questions.

that's pretty funny, you were certainly in a certain mood when you were writing this. I won't speculate. 


You might explain what you have against the DC, seems odd to praise the Don't and bash the DC. 


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So a $25 table (where you'll play if you are a real man at a real casino)

dunno about that but if you don't like crowds, there's that. Just saying. 


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If you lose everything, do NOT tip the dealer.  Bet it on a longshot instead.

You just converted me


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That's why I say "bet the don't pass" because if you make a mistake, they'll exclaim "NO BET!!!!" and push your chip back at you.


You learn more quickly this way, friend.  And it costs nothing but shame.  Shame is free.

I'm picturing this advice as "get [or act] snockered and bet the Don't constantly. Ever once in a while the dealer will miss that you placed your bet when you weren't supposed to. Or, please explain
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March 14th, 2019 at 5:08:52 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Hi Aaron ... taking some snips. 

You might explain what you have against the DC, seems odd to praise the Don't and bash the DC. 



I have nothing against the DC. Just against the DC when you already have a don't pass. If you walk up to the table and the point is four, and you bet the Don't pass, some dealers will move it to the DC where it belongs. Some will yell "NO BET" and push your money back towards you. Some will call no action and throw out an off button towards your chips. It all depends on what creates the least distraction for every OTHER person at the table beside you that probably knows what they are doing and hates don't pass betting people because they are smarter than every other stinking person at the table, usually. Then you roll up with Ahigh's instructions bumbling around.

If you bet 0x odds on the don't pass and a point is made, then you bet the DC, you have a hedge on the seven-out for the don't pass (you won't win because seven on the DC is a loser). Hedging is bad. Do not bet against yourself. It reduces volatility. Volatility is the ONLY thing that you are paying for with that 0.39% house edge per roll on that Don't pass bet. Just be fucking patient and increase or reduce your free odds bet as much or as little as you want to. Don't take other action. You will lose faster in every single case where you don't maximize your odds and instead take a bet with a house edge, or WORSE with a house edge and a reduction in volatility by hedging certain outcomes to be against one another.

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dunno about that but if you don't like crowds, there's that. Just saying.



If you want to play in a crowd, go to Joker's Wild. If you want to win without fanfare large denom chips, play $25 tables AND UP.


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You just converted me



I love the dealers when I win. When I lose, sometimes they invite me over for a soda. If you have a dealer that trusts you enough to invite you to his or her house for hanging out, that's a good thing. Keep your fucking mouth shut about your private life, and observe the lifestyle of the dealer and respect them for the very hard work they do.

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I'm picturing this advice as "get [or act] snockered and bet the Don't constantly. Ever once in a while the dealer will miss that you placed your bet when you weren't supposed to. Or, please explain



When you bet the don't pass and every other person at the table is betting hardways and prop bets like midnight and making all kinds of ridiculous noise, sometimes it is better to bet the DC instead of the Don't pass. If you bet the DC and a "yo" is called, he might forget to take your DC. A yo on the comeout he will remember to take your don't pass 100% of the time because he is almost guaranteed to be paying pass line bets on the yo. The best time to bet the DC is when you have learned how to increase the probability of a dealer mistake in your favor. Each dealer is different. A dealer that likes you and wants you to win so you will tip them is not hard to find. You have GOT to keep your big mouth shut the whole time, or someone can lose their job. But this strategy works, not even for tips, but just if you are polite and respectful to the staff, they don't have it out (as much) for people that respect them. I guarantee you that dealers want to get drunk players or obnoxious players out of there as quickly as possible.

I will sometimes bet the come with progressively large amounts and will occasionally find the dealers not taking my come-bet on a 12 or aces. I've had as much as $90 action on the come on a table with $5 minimums and had them leave my come bet out there on aces while dealing with prop bets. If the box and second based are studying prop bets and third base is also looking into the inside doing prop math, the probability of him missing your COME or DC bet can be as high as 1 in 40. Regardless of the size of the bet. Depending on the dealer, the casino, and the details of that dealer's history in dealing the game in a way that the casino makes a lot of money. They will give leeway to dealers who win for the casino to make a mistake here and there. They will never admit to this, but this is just my opinion, there is very little other explanation for some of the dealer mistakes that I have benefitted from. KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. It's not YOUR job to correct a dealer mistake unless it benefits you. They do the same (correcting mistakes that benefit them but not those that would benefit you). It goes both ways, and I'm pretty sure that the admins here agree on this point as unethical as it might seem at first, it's just the way that it is on BOTH sides. You have to take as much slack as you can get if you want to expect to win.

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