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Lucca3927
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January 30th, 2018 at 7:26:56 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit



The fact of the matter is Craps is not a good game to play with an inadequate bankroll. If you stick to just making the Pass line bet with little or no odds, it is a boring game, known to have low variance. The usual experience would be watching your bankroll slowly dwindle with some unexciting, minimal ups and downs along the way.




The most boring game in the casino is in the eye of the gambler. For example, I'll never, ever, understand Roulette. The rules and the game are simple enough , but I'll never understand it's appeal. To each his own.

I'd have to disagree with how you think craps has minimal ups and downs. It has more wild swings than any other table game in the casino.

What's wrong with a low EV? Beats me.
"I should have bet black." - Winston Churchill .
odiousgambit
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January 31st, 2018 at 2:50:49 AM permalink
Quote: Lucca3927

The most boring game in the casino is in the eye of the gambler. For example, I'll never, ever, understand Roulette. The rules and the game are simple enough , but I'll never understand it's appeal. To each his own.

I'd have to disagree with how you think craps has minimal ups and downs. It has more wild swings than any other table game in the casino.

What's wrong with a low EV? Beats me.

I'm sorry, but the variance of the pass line bet alone [perhaps that wasn't clear] is known, having a standard deviation of 'one'. That is about as minimal for ups and downs as it gets. see link.

Now, the way I play Craps, and the way I have seen anybody else play Craps for the most part, has a lot of ups and downs, but that comes from making other bets with a lot of variance like the free odds and the middle table bets [almost never in my case for the latter]

https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/house-edge/
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Dabba
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January 31st, 2018 at 9:57:47 AM permalink
I was looking to similar darkside strats as far as money on the table and similar EV.

I may just stick to the Don't pass and 1 Don't come.

However, question on the odds on the don't side. Why would I bet 10$ on the flat and get paid 1:1 instead of having to lay odds which pay less than the bet? The only advantage I can see is risking less on a natural on the come out.
Ibeatyouraces
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January 31st, 2018 at 10:54:36 AM permalink
Quote: Lucca3927

I'd have to disagree with how you think craps has minimal ups and downs. It has more wild swings than any other table game in the casino.


You must not have played Mississippi Stud then.
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odiousgambit
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January 31st, 2018 at 10:59:06 AM permalink
Quote: Dabba

I was looking to similar darkside strats as far as money on the table and similar EV.

I may just stick to the Don't pass and 1 Don't come.

However, question on the odds on the don't side. Why would I bet 10$ on the flat and get paid 1:1 instead of having to lay odds which pay less than the bet? The only advantage I can see is risking less on a natural on the come out.



Dealers and other players will say that to you to discourage darkside odds betting.

The casino is paid 4:1 but on the darkside for 'any 7' you know; if they had to prove they had the money they would put the $4 next to your $1 when you bet that. So when they take your $1 you should say "you dumbasses got paid less than 1:1 , wow, what a great bet for me, I'm betting $20 this time!!"
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Dabba
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February 1st, 2018 at 12:54:09 PM permalink
I still confused

Why should I risk more money to get paid less on darkside odds? Why shouldnt I just play a 10 dollar flat instead of a $5 to get paid 1:1?


Like I said, the only benefit seems to be you risk less on the come out. But even though you have the advantage when the point is on... it feels bad to risk more money than you're getting back.
odiousgambit
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February 1st, 2018 at 3:13:15 PM permalink
If you can't figure out why it would be nice to put $4 up to win $1 , which is not even money in the least, then there is no hope for you [referring to my example]
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February 1st, 2018 at 4:12:25 PM permalink
Quote: Dabba

I still confused

many are
Quote: Dabba

Why should I risk more money to get paid less on darkside odds?

the bet is now a straight up favorite to win. and just like in sportsbetting, when you bet for the favorite to win straight up you LAY the odds. Bet more to win less.

at craps
The 4 or 10 has only 3 ways to win and 6 to lose on the pass
on the dpass it is 6 ways to win and 3 to lose

WHAT should that bet pay then?

6 ways to win and only 3 ways to lose. not even close to an even money payoff.

I mean, you now own the casino, what is the payoff for the players?
Quote: Dabba

But even though you have the advantage when the point is on... it feels bad to risk more money than you're getting back.

feeling bad does nothing to change the probability of winning.
You Lay the odds, risk more to win less, because that is how payouts are figured.
the odds have 0% house edge.

Oh, oh
you do not understand house edge and why the casino short pays a win
on say the pass line or the don't pass but not on the odds.

I am not a very good teacher

the formula for a 'fair' payout (0% house edge)
is
q/p

both the pass and dpass suffer about a 2.8 cent short pay
on every win
*****
for lay odds on the 4
p= 2/3 (do you know why?)
q = 1/3

a totally FAIR payoff would be
1/3 divided by 2/3 = 1/3 * 3/2 = 1/2

that is why Laying the odds of $1000 pays only $500
it is perfectly FAIR (NO house edge)
*****
I think you should seek out hot tables only and
leave when you know the table is now cold.
should have way more fun that way, you agree?

because you do not understand the dark side bets and payoffs...
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February 5th, 2018 at 6:26:22 PM permalink
Interesting you mention male shooters over 40, or worse yet, over 50. I'm 75 (yes, I can't believe it myself). The Craps session, the session before, I had a 60 minute roll that made lots of money for a bunch of folks. When I finally 7-out, I got a "standing ovation" from all the players. I'm a dice setting shooter and at no time during that 60 minutes did I feel anything but positive about my next roll.
I know Hot Table vs. Cold Table is said to be an issue but I don't know.....I do feel your attitude going into this game doesn't hurt if you're positive.

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