onenickelmiracle
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January 10th, 2018 at 10:14:47 PM permalink
Quote: CAD2

It is not a “joke” unless you are a bigot. Jokes about nationalities or race or ethnicity are not funny - you can ask Jay Leno.

For too long, Americans were using “Chinese” (as a nationality or race or ethnicity) to make fun of the situation.

It’s in the American lexicon:
“Chinese” home run
“Chinese” fire drill

And if you weren’t so bigoted in your views, you should have known there are such things as Chinese Dice (try Google).

I'm flattered you thought I was a bigot, but I'd never say anything bigoted publicly.
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MrV
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January 10th, 2018 at 10:49:58 PM permalink
Quote: CAD2

That is what the guy has posted about at length on the other website. He stated that Aruze’s failure to change the dice in a timely manner makes the game vulnerable to AP’s who has “dice control”.



"Dice control?"

People claim they can control the dice?

Whoa, maybe I better look into this, I'm tired of getting whacked at craps.

Dice control: now there's an idea.
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beachbumbabs
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January 10th, 2018 at 11:13:41 PM permalink
Quote: CAD2

That is a borderline “racist” comment. Enough said.

Can we please leave “Chinese” out of the discussion. Thanks.



I think I need to explain. We have a member who often rants about being cursed, the casinos are out to get him, other nonsense. The silliest thing he said, and he got a lot of pushback on it, was that the casinos were buying cheap Chinese cards instead of quality cards and that was why he was losing.

It's become a running forum joke on him. Any gaming equipment that doesn't do what you want it to do (which is win), someone mocks the idea of where something is made having anything to do with whether you will win or lose a hand.

There was no offense intended. In fact, the basis of the joke is a continued refutation of the idea, not supporting it. So it would be good if you could understand, being new to the board, that there was no racist comment, but the opposite, not allowing the original reference to stand unchallenged.

If you would like to see for yourself, look up the thread D Day in Vegas, started by ZenKing, the person being mocked for this type of nonsense excuses. Or take my word for it.
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tringlomane
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January 10th, 2018 at 11:25:57 PM permalink
The die with the 6 facing us looks nicely jammed in the crack the felt has. I assume all the machines have this, but instead we start talking about "Chinese Dice"...LOL
MrV
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January 10th, 2018 at 11:38:21 PM permalink
Pshaw, it's all Greek to me.
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cwazy
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January 11th, 2018 at 12:45:56 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

The die with the 6 facing us looks nicely jammed in the crack the felt has. I assume all the machines have this, but instead we start talking about "Chinese Dice"...LOL



It's hard to tell because of all the scratches on the glass, but there is no crack in the felt. You're seeing a reflection of the line in the plastic that is outside of the glass. The die was sitting on its corner, in the same position, for several minutes. While waiting for someone to reset the machine, one player gave his terminal a shove, which made the die visibly wobble a bit but it still didn't fall of its corner. Honestly it was the among the weirdest things I have ever seen in a casino.

You can see the same effect when the interior lights are off (before the roll) in this video. It looks like there's a crack, but when the lights turn on, you can see that there isn't one.
CAD2
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January 11th, 2018 at 4:43:31 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

I'm flattered you thought I was a bigot, but I'd never say anything bigoted publicly.



1. My reply to you was that your comment was borderline “racist” (btw, being a racist does not equate to being a bigot because one can be a bigot and not a racist) - you didn’t grow up being on the receiving end of “Chinese” comments (where Chinese when used as an adjective was meant in a derogatory manner or as an ethnic slur).

2. The “bigoted” comment was directed to the person who thought making ethnic jokes was “funny”. Just ask Jay Leno if he thinks ethnic jokes are “funny”.

3. I am not responsible if you lack the intelligence or sensitivity that “Chinese” when used as an adjective is considered racist in the context you employed. Whether you intended offense is irrelevant - this is 2018, not the 1950’s.

The bottomline is your (borderline racist) comment in the context it was written is offensive.
CAD2
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January 11th, 2018 at 5:13:40 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

"Dice control?"

People claim they can control the dice?

Whoa, maybe I better look into this, I'm tired of getting whacked at craps.

Dice control: now there's an idea.



That guy at crapsforum(dot)com has put up photos showing he has dice control.

He claims to have rolled 12x(6,7,8) in 15 consecutive rolls and have put up photos as proof. Btw, the P(X=>x) is 0.00559. And he has performed this act twice based on the photos.

He has also stated because there are at least 4xRed 7’s in those 12x(6,7,8), that his results are decidedly non-random and are based on skill.

And this last point is worth mentioning - he claims the only thing he controls in Aruze e-craps is when to push the button. So he knows when to push the button 15 consecutive times to get 12x(6,7,8) with at least 4xRed 7’s.
CAD2
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January 11th, 2018 at 5:16:36 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I think I need to explain. We have a member who often rants about being cursed, the casinos are out to get him, other nonsense. The silliest thing he said, and he got a lot of pushback on it, was that the casinos were buying cheap Chinese cards instead of quality cards and that was why he was losing.

It's become a running forum joke on him. Any gaming equipment that doesn't do what you want it to do (which is win), someone mocks the idea of where something is made having anything to do with whether you will win or lose a hand.

There was no offense intended. In fact, the basis of the joke is a continued refutation of the idea, not supporting it. So it would be good if you could understand, being new to the board, that there was no racist comment, but the opposite, not allowing the original reference to stand unchallenged.

If you would like to see for yourself, look up the thread D Day in Vegas, started by ZenKing, the person being mocked for this type of nonsense excuses. Or take my word for it.



You are trying to make a distinction between:
(a) someone who makes an offensive remark in a joking manner knowing it is offensive

and

(b) someone who makes an offensive remark in a joking manner but is ignorant said remark is offensive
Melco
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January 11th, 2018 at 8:04:05 AM permalink
The cards in question literally had "Made in China" written on them. They are "Chinese cards", or "Chinese-made cards" if you want to be technical. But neither matters. I think you need to go back and read the thread. It was a source of much amusement for a few months. The dice being Chinese is just a jab at ZenKing, having nothing to do with Chinese people or culture or craftsmanship. Had ZenKing said Colorado cards (Colorado-made! Sorry Caloradians) were his problem, the response here would have been Colorado Dice. It had to do with a particular brand of Chinese cards being blamed instead of bad luck.

The topic of China reminds me of a joke I heard a few weeks ago. From a Chinese-American lounge singer/pianist on a cruise ship I was on:
Chinese man walks into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder, and the parrot proceeds to order him a drink. Bartender says, "Where'd you get that? And how can I get one?". Parrot says, "Go to China- they have like a billion of them over there."

And to put this thread back on topic, It looks like it got stuck in the crack. I'd find it hard to believe you'd be able to exploit this without recording millions of rolls. And even then, it would require millions upon millions to manifest the minuscule +EV resulting from this.

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