Zcore13
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December 30th, 2017 at 9:52:17 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I don't remember that particular promotion, but I was fascinated with his ads. They were in Parade Magazine and TV Guide for years iN the 70s aand 80s. It was like, 3 nights in the hotel, 300 in slot tokens, buffet tickets, $99 for a family of 4.



I took advantage of his offers a couple of times. One of them was on my honeymoon January of 1991

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horse
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December 30th, 2017 at 10:06:25 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I took advantage of his offers a couple of times. One of them was on my honeymoon January of 1991

ZCore13



I ran across a picture floating around of a couple who got married at a CRAPS table.

Sounds like one of the stunts a guy like this Stupak would pull. Where was this, the Strato?
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December 30th, 2017 at 10:15:48 AM permalink
Quote: TomG

If Axel doesn’t want to take that bet, I will gladly take it for $10,000



What is the bet?
Zcore13
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December 30th, 2017 at 10:17:37 AM permalink
Quote: horse

I ran across a picture floating around of a couple who got married at a CRAPS table.

Sounds like one of the stunts a guy like this Stupak would pull. Where was this, the Strato?



It was called "Vegas World" at the time.

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horse
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December 30th, 2017 at 10:19:55 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

It was called "Vegas World" at the time.

ZCore13



Thanks. Before my time I guess. Must be the Stratosphere today then
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December 30th, 2017 at 11:37:33 AM permalink
Quote: horse

When I signed up earlier in the month I recall a statement in the Welcome part of the email from the forum host that said something to the effect that "gambling systems are useless and never work".

I take a very small exception to that.

These people who develop their methods; how many dissers actually read through, talk through, and thoroughly understand or try said systems?

While I agree conventional wisdom and math say bs right off the bat, there could actually be one or two gamblers out there who have come up with, not a crazy system for the masses, but something that somehow, someway works for them and them only because of their quirky personality or the unusual way their brain works or whatever. It's not totally out of the question.

That's why these forum bets are zero in value for all but the claimant IF they ever happen. Who knows if the guy quits the moment he gets ahead by betting a progression or not? He wins/you lose. And he may well do that time and again, which would lead to his claim of "I always win". How many of us could truly play like that? Is it even worth our time? Maybe it is to him, which does make him somewhat special, although his "gambling discovery" is not for the masses.

So why waste your time with this?



You'd have to read the archives, but there are dozens, if not hundreds, of threads on nearly every game casinos offer, systems have been proposed, evaluated, computed, debunked, and/or tested, sometimes in person. It's kind of a specialty of this forum from Mike on through very experienced and professional math guys, designers, programmers, and players. Hasn't been as frequently as when I joined, but you can read 300 pages of discussion on Ahigh's dice setting experiments, for example.

As to whether it's worth it, guess.that's up to the member. Some have a hobby and get into the minutia, some have a financial interest, some just like to argue. So it's worth about whatever someone wants to value it. Worth nothing, block the thread. Worth nothing conceptually, block the sub-forum.

There's a corellary to the "all systems are worthless" theorum that says, "no worthy system, if any, is going to be sold or exposed on an internet forum". If somebody has something, why on earth would they talk about it or even sell it? If there IS something to it, they're just poisoning the well by spreading the word, which means the casinos will take countermeasures and spoil it for them and everyone else. Keep it to yourself and be Scrooge McDuck with piles of cash big enough to swim in.

So if a system gets proposed, usually it comes down to mistaken math, hucksters/con men, or luck making something look like it might work beyond a few run-good sessions. Somebody invents the Martingale every week.
"If the house lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game."
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December 30th, 2017 at 11:42:30 AM permalink
Quote: horse

I ran across a picture floating around of a couple who got married at a CRAPS table.

Sounds like one of the stunts a guy like this Stupak would pull. Where was this, the Strato?


Wasn't that Mr 18 yo's in a row? At Caesars?
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December 30th, 2017 at 12:02:05 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Wasn't that Mr 18 yo's in a row? At Caesars?

It was indeed Alan M in one of his marriages in 2006.
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December 30th, 2017 at 1:31:17 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I cant make a bet until I know what he's claiming.

I'm not greedy, I'm willing to split some action with you or anyone interested, assuming we can come up with something feasible.

"The terms just have to be consistent with WatchMeWin’s claims"

It seems to me he is claiming he never has a losing session.



So how did we get here? Without getting too deep into the genesis of the bantering from board members, which has escalated my desire to post more of my opinions and experiences regarding my style of play and aptitude for winning predominantly in craps. I initially voiced my opinion on how to consistently win in craps based upon my experience over the past 25 years of playing. Ive figured out what works for me and I have clearly spelled out how I do it. It is incomprehensible to many that someone can win on a consistent basis in a game that has negative EV and millions of players have failed to succeed in.

As I have mentioned before, the intricacies of who, what, when, where, and why, with respect to size of bets,timing of increasing and decreasing bets, crowded/negative tables, rhythm of the game, discipline, management, knowledge, etc , are all factors which can not be taught or bottled up in a jar to sell... therefore the notion that I am looking to sell something can be eliminated. The idea that I would be trying to con someone into something is not who I am nor is it my intention or character. Ill leave that for Trump.

What I am interested in is winning. Perhaps I have been perceived as a bit braggadocious with my winning posts... or to many full of s#%^, but the fact of the matter is that it is real. I dont mean to come off as an arrogant dude. Im a player that has had amazing experiences over the years with casinos and gaming... in all aspects! I wish everyone would win and beat the casinos... probably the greatest edge the casinos have is the fact that 99% of the people that gamble in casinos don't know when to say when and leave when they are ahead with even a modest W.

Notwithstanding the aforementioned... Ax, I never said that I never lose. I said that I win a great % of the time... and the times I do lose, the losses do not exceed my prior winnings. Here is what I will claim for any bet we have... which will have to take place in Vegas next time I am in town... and it will be with just Ax for the time being as he is the guy that I have come to trust so far... as ironic as that may seem since he is the one guy that has come at me from the get go. haha

- I will win 80% of the time I play a session. 10 sessions should suffice while Im in town. So 8 out of 10 sessions will be Wins.
- A win is defined as profiting 26.5% of my buy-in bank roll on each session. I plan to buy in 1000 each session. Therefore, I will need to win at least 265 by the time I color up and announce that that particular session is closed. I can choose to stop at any time... but in order to have a successful win, I need to have profited 265 on the session at color up. This is what I will call EBATA - Earnings Before Any Tips Awarded.
- If I lose my 1000 in a session.. then that session will be considered a Loss.
- If I lose more than 2 sessions, then I will consider myself defeated in this event.
- If I win at least 8 sessions, then I will consider myself victorious in this event. (if you do the math you will see that if I were to win the minimum 265 in 8 sessions (2120), this will exceed any losses I would incur if I were to lose 2 sessions (2000). Therefore I feel the numbers are relevant with respect to % win vs number of sessions.

Since I have been mocked and scorn repeatedly with claims and accusations that Im full of it and that it is not possible to win consistently as stated, I feel that there should be a multiple on my risk wager as Im a huge underdog and the house is always the favorite. Would 5x - 10x sound fair? I will put up 1000 to your 5000-10,000. Since this is an impossible task.. it is easy money for you. Money in the Bank! I cant get lucky that many times. I will stay hydrated and have lots of energy, dont worry. You mentioned that you will match my win / loss from my sessions as well... and vice versa and dollar for dollar value.

Just thinking out loud... as you came after me first.
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December 30th, 2017 at 2:11:25 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin





- I will win 80% of the time I play a session. 10 sessions should suffice while Im in town. So 8 out of 10 sessions will be Wins.
- A win is defined as profiting 26.5% of my buy-in bank roll on each session. I plan to buy in 1000 each session. Therefore, I will need to win at least 265 by the time I color up and announce that that particular session is closed. I can choose to stop at any time... but in order to have a successful win, I need to have profited 265 on the session at color up. This is what I will call EBATA - Earnings Before Any Tips Awarded.
- If I lose my 1000 in a session.. then that session will be considered a Loss.
- If I lose more than 2 sessions, then I will consider myself defeated in this event.
- If I win at least 8 sessions, then I will consider myself victorious in this event. (if you do the math you will see that if I were to win the minimum 265 in 8 sessions (2120), this will exceed any losses I would incur if I were to lose 2 sessions (2000). Therefore I feel the numbers are relevant with respect to % win vs number of sessions.

Since I have been mocked and scorn repeatedly with claims and accusations that Im full of it and that it is not possible to win consistently as stated, I feel that there should be a multiple on my risk wager as Im a HUGE UNDERDOG and the house is always the favorite. Would 5x - 10x sound fair? I will put up 1000 to your 5000-10,000. Since this is an impossible task.. it is easy money for you. Money in the Bank! I cant get lucky that many times. I will stay hydrated and have lots of energy, dont worry. You mentioned that you will match my win / loss from my sessions as well... and vice versa and dollar for dollar value.



for any person to win $2,120 before losing $3,000 making the lowest house edge bets at craps does not make anybody a HUGE UNDERDOG. it would make anybody a HUGE FAVORITE and it would prove nothing. And you want to get paid 5 or 10/1 for that proposition? You must think people here are stupid.
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