Quote:boymimboMy point is that with the variance and the house edge, one can easily establish that they have a winning system because it can and does work for them over an appreciable sample size.

For example, if one plays craps for 400 hours in a year (which is fairly regular, 2x / week, 4 hour sessions) over a year, one can use a betting system and have a pretty good shot (>25%) of being ahead. This allows them to come on to a forum like this and claim to have a winning system, and in fact, for them, it might be a winning system, until the variance turns.

I wasn't saying that craps is winnable over infinite time. The fact is that we play over very finite periods of time, and "long term" at a casino represents a sample size where the casino can be beaten with "your" system that happens to work for you because you are experiencing a positive variance.

Craps is nothing like the three lotteries/slot machines you mentioned.

All of this is nonsense.

Quote:IbeatyouracesAll of this is nonsense.

when the math supports your position, it is god.

when the math supports some one else's position, it is nonsense.

got it

Quote:DeMangowhen the math supports your position, it is god.

when the math supports some one else's position, it is nonsense.

got it

Math DOESN'T SUPPORT his claim. He CANNOT RELY ON HIS SYSTEM. I CAN RELY ON MY EDGE!

Quote:ontariodealerthey banned a guy at our place for beating the video roulette.

And I've seen non AP blackjack players get banned too. Casinos are sometimes stupid.

Quote:IbeatyouracesAnd I've seen non AP blackjack players get banned too. Casinos are sometimes stupid.

Dilly! Dilly!, Recently On three different occasions I watched a counter at

a tribal casino wonging so aggressive it was crazy. The pit was and still

is clueless. his ramp was slight increase & then max bet. He would

sit out 3 consecutive shoes at the table not to mention the ole

I gotta get up and check my phone.

I thought Canada was too cold for EvenBob.Quote:ontariodealerthey banned a guy at our place for beating the video roulette.