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mustangsally
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July 10th, 2017 at 9:56:13 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

I thought you used to make a point of saying you could and you (personally) have beaten craps? =)

yes so true with a loss rebate.
Heard that team went back to Baccarat.

IF the dice do what they should do, shooters have no influence on the outcomes, then a player MUST select more winning bets than losing. OP was dpass/dcome
robot betting

robots do not control all yet
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Ayecarumba
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July 10th, 2017 at 12:04:31 PM permalink
Quote: mustangsally

...with a loss rebate...

You need to spend a lot of money to get stuff that would usually cost a lot of money, and maybe some free play?
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mustangsally
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July 10th, 2017 at 2:54:50 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

You need to spend a lot of money to get stuff that would usually cost a lot of money, and maybe some free play?

no free play

at first, $250k to $500k was just right for both as a buy-in.
The casinos did not think they could lose, but did.
At the end it was over $2 million bankroll to start.

It was and still is a grind trying to double start bankroll or bust.
It was fun while it lasted.
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Ayecarumba
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July 10th, 2017 at 4:34:31 PM permalink
Thank you Sally. What I find interesting is that the same variance that occasionally puts me up $30 on my $300 buy-in gets the $30,000 buy-in $3,000 +RFB & Cirque tickets close enough to get you wet. I've been told that it's all relative... until it isn't.
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billy.joeseph
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July 15th, 2017 at 6:34:13 PM permalink
old time craps for 39 years since resorts opened in ac

1st off i never lost when table was in ice box or players just love betting pass line hardways field bets etc... and they all 7 out.

NUMBER 1 reason you lost betting don't come 1st off they are not his number his point is 9 thats it thats all you lay aginst you can wind up with 3 DC bets and he will hit all of them now you lost like $90 on a 15$ min. game YOU won the dont pass bet and lost $60 you placed DP $15 you lay $30 to win $20 more PERIOD>

ON straight cold table hopefully you have 5 players with couple hunny in chipos so you get 2 - 3 hours in.

some players time is longer than others because of others betting filed , come bets. hardways , horn bets all the stupid losing wagers offered.

Playing the lowest % edge of craps just bet pass line or dont pass line and Place bets like this ..

point is 10 your on pass line place 20$ behind to win $40 and YOUR $10 PB

the rest of numbers you bet all of them 4 5 6 8 and 9 thats $50 shotter holds dice just 10 minutes your making tons

4 pays 9-5 so give them a dollar to get $20 5 pays 3 -2 give them a 41 to get $10 6 n 8 pay 6 to 5 collect $12 9 pays 3-2 you win $15

Now the other side best way is to just wait till point is establihed and lay $41 against 4 or 10 $25 against 6 or 8 $31 aginst 5 or 9 YOU win $20 avoiding all the naturals and push on 12

also play both dont pass and pass line you can only get hurt with a 12 on a comeout and thats rare last night was playing in parx casino it's in bensalem pa 22 miles north of philly ...... they say it's stupid to play both ways but i find it better than laying $4 on any 7 to cover my $15 dp bet as i said 11 you lose the $15 and the 4 thats $19 loss it happens on come oouts.

last week was on a table staurday night late shooter comes out with 7 - 7 - 7 - 3 11 -7-7table is esatactic they won 5 bets lost one so they are all ahaed $60 point was 4 ...... i lay 82$ to win $40 throws a 5 rows a 9 then hi mickey mantle i scream 5- 2

7 out table collects abut $300 plus pays me $40 they won $260 or whatever aint got time to add up all those come bets odds hardways field bets etc...

FACT 39 years playing DONT pass I never loost never lost even on choppy tables where they make a pass then 7 out next time i made money starting with only $100 way back in 80's there was $5 minimum tables in Atlantic city NJ.
This was when they closed early am and opened at 8 am.

Guess what i wish that was same today in all casinos because in late hours midinght to 3 am your action or choices are limited.

GO home or go grab bite to eat grab some sleep in rooms or in your car and start next day in afternoon refrehed to go full day .

YES i have gotten in on players tables when making points most of times hoding dice for 10 mins or more and 7 out but won 15 place bets gawdthats sweet $100's won in 15 mins .

However i mostly hunt for that table where shooters are in prayer mode fumbling chips in hand begging for that 8 or 9 or 4 or 6 or 10 and all you hear now is from stick man or box is 7 ars ago they said 7 out or out 7 pay the donts ..

Today recently past 4 weeks was in 6 differnt casinos two in pa 4 in ac nj not one player was beting DP or laying any point.

average amount of shooters in each casino was 35 all tables going thatsc 210 players all betting pass lines hardways , field bets come bets fire bets etc... all losing $100's every table.

Trust me 39 years experince taught me weel lay the point after it's made minmum starting bank on a $15 minmum table is $200

or $150 hoping you start off winning 1st bet which is like guaranteed because you scouted that game and watched from your spot without betting until you saw 7 out's consistently.

Last night met up with guy i became friends with online lives far north in PA from phily we met at parx i got there at 1:40 am after work

I only had $130 so i was not comfy find out cannot play dont pass and pass at same time ey picked up my dont pass bet and left my pass line bet ..... i balked picked it up and walked away pit boss stops me after long discusiion he says ok i 'll let it go this time go back and play ...i told him this was no ignorance on my part there aint no signs posted about it i done it for decades in NJ tried finding out about PA casinos rules online today uh uh nope no info about it????

OK wind up going to another table because my friend Rob got murded was down $1200 of his $200 I was ok up at $30

finally a table hwre they 7 out most of time I waited for point and laid it ...... couple time my instinct said DONT play aginst shooter wow i was right they made thier points one was 9 other was a 10 but they 7 out next time and i do not bet aginst anyone twice in a row.
odiousgambit
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July 16th, 2017 at 3:38:55 AM permalink
Quote: billy.joeseph

old time craps for 39 years since resorts opened in ac

Welcome to the forum. You are a real study in the kind of player who learned from scratch with his own experience, from other players, and from the dealers.

I hope you can give us plenty of good stories from over the years.

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at parx ... find out cannot play dont pass and pass at same time

Today mathematically sound information on how to play is readily available. I don't know if you know it, but you have come to a site where, well, that's kind of what it is all about. You may need a thick skin.

From that perspective, it is so stupid to not allow betting both sides that it makes you marvel. Do the ignoramuses running the place think that if half the players are right-side and the other half darkside that means they just break even? There can be very few places now like that. But I think there are a ton that will only rate you for comps one way when players play both ways - also completely unjustified.

Anyway, we'd love to hear some of those stories.
"Baccarat is a game whereby the croupier gathers in money with a flexible sculling oar, then rakes it home. If I could have borrowed his oar I would have stayed." .......... Mark Twain
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July 16th, 2017 at 10:03:03 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit


From that perspective, it is so stupid to not allow betting both sides that it makes you marvel.



I think this all started when "match play" coupons and chips were popular. They also, at some shall we call them "beginners" banned betting with match play on the even money roulette options. Long story short so as not to bore you, a friend and I figured out how to beat them by simply one of us betting pass and the other don't pass, with a match play coupon/chip. Getting your fifty percent in cash really mattered to us back then. Cheers mate.
NokTang
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July 16th, 2017 at 10:05:23 AM permalink
Quote: billy.joeseph


GO home or go grab bite to eat grab some sleep in rooms or in your car and start next day in afternoon refrehed to go full day .



Sleeping in your car in Atlantic City?

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