excerpts of John Patrick's "Craps"
December 12th, 2015 at 9:46:41 AM
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Here is a link to excerpts from John Patrick's book, "Craps."
Craps
*scroll up when you open the link*
No, I didn't create it.
I post it for those who are unfamiliar with him: he's certainly fallen out of favor, but his book has info and ideas which some may find of use.
Craps
*scroll up when you open the link*
No, I didn't create it.
I post it for those who are unfamiliar with him: he's certainly fallen out of favor, but his book has info and ideas which some may find of use.
"What, me worry?"
December 12th, 2015 at 10:23:59 AM
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The only thing useful from him is the casino making bigger profits by people following his advice.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
December 12th, 2015 at 11:08:42 AM
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Asking the Pit Boss for a free meal? What year was this written?
I loved playing BJ in AC in the 80's and getting a written comp for either the Steakhouse or "The Deli" based on play. As a young kid (Early 20's) it was cool to have a special line to go to the front and watch others wonder why this kid didn't have to wait like they did.
I loved playing BJ in AC in the 80's and getting a written comp for either the Steakhouse or "The Deli" based on play. As a young kid (Early 20's) it was cool to have a special line to go to the front and watch others wonder why this kid didn't have to wait like they did.
December 12th, 2015 at 11:26:37 AM
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Yes, some of the info seems dated.
Keep in mind that JP is now in his dotage, and the book was written long ago.
I sometimes visit his board again just for comic relief: Larry S. will sneak in and rearrange the furniture; then JP totters in and trips over an ottoman and careens into a faux Ming vase, all while wildly swinging his cane at his perceived detractors.
Keep in mind that JP is now in his dotage, and the book was written long ago.
I sometimes visit his board again just for comic relief: Larry S. will sneak in and rearrange the furniture; then JP totters in and trips over an ottoman and careens into a faux Ming vase, all while wildly swinging his cane at his perceived detractors.
"What, me worry?"
December 12th, 2015 at 11:31:16 AM
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I tried looking at his board but it's just too difficult to navigate.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
December 13th, 2015 at 9:12:15 AM
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Quote: BozAsking the Pit Boss for a free meal? What year was this written?
This is a Lyle Stuart version of the John Patrick book.
I still refer to my original version which was published in 1984 and has 370 pages.
December 13th, 2015 at 12:45:17 PM
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Quote: FatGeezusThis is a Lyle Stuart version of the John Patrick book.
I still refer to my original version which was published in 1984 and has 370 pages.
I can't fathom writing 37 pages on craps, let alone 370.
December 13th, 2015 at 1:02:06 PM
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The 1984 edition has an 18-page intro that really defines and describes terms and elementary practices for newbies. The Bankroll chapter runs 14 pages. Knowledge of the Game runs from 35 to 143. It details the basis of the game, the layout, each different bet (including each odds and prop bet). 156 pages are on Money Management, which really encompasses a lot more info like the Patrick System and doey-don't, and there are smaller chapters on Discipline and Odds and Ends. Those include tipping, etiquette, crooked dice, charting a table and how to walk away. The typically colorful Patrick insults are liberally sprinkled throughout.Quote: sabreI can't fathom writing 37 pages on craps, let alone 370.
December 13th, 2015 at 1:46:22 PM
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You could describe every single bet on the craps table on one piece of paper.
December 13th, 2015 at 2:41:23 PM
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Yeah, but how many people would understand them with all their ramifications? Just look at those who come here after seeing the Wizard's invaluable descriptions and explanations on the Wizard of Odds Web site and ask basic questions and simple problems of theory. Not to mention the frequent ventures into sophisticated probability.Quote: sabreYou could describe every single bet on the craps table on one piece of paper.
December 13th, 2015 at 3:30:51 PM
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I read John Patrick's book about a decade ago before beginning my gambling forays. Most of his book was an intro to gambling dated for old vegas. Comp syst has changed a lot.
When it came to craps and you'll also see this in his videos, he favors placing the 6 and 8 over all other bets for the most part.
Not a bad strategy.
When it came to craps and you'll also see this in his videos, he favors placing the 6 and 8 over all other bets for the most part.
Not a bad strategy.
December 13th, 2015 at 3:49:59 PM
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I liked both JP's "Craps" and "Advanced Craps" books quite a bit: I read them very early in my gambling career.
"What, me worry?"
December 13th, 2015 at 7:04:12 PM
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I feel sorry for the trees that were cut down to make any John Patrick book.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 13th, 2015 at 7:19:42 PM
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Not all his advice was bad. The followers who spent more time charting the tables than gambling probably were better off.
December 13th, 2015 at 7:23:32 PM
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I don't mind JP. His strategy is more about how
to lose less, than how it win. I like his story about
going to Vegas in the 50's and playing a Marty on
10 cent roulette wheels. He thought he had a tiger by
the tail for about a week, and it finally busted
him.
to lose less, than how it win. I like his story about
going to Vegas in the 50's and playing a Marty on
10 cent roulette wheels. He thought he had a tiger by
the tail for about a week, and it finally busted
him.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
December 13th, 2015 at 8:29:50 PM
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a very smart man once wrote about jp....."when it comes to gambling he doesn't merit serious consideration."
get second you pig
December 14th, 2015 at 5:33:52 AM
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Quote: WizardI feel sorry for the trees that were cut down to make any John Patrick book.
Tell us how you really feel.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
I AM NOT PART OF GWAE RADIO SHOW
March 21st, 2018 at 11:19:32 AM
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I have 4 John Patrick books from 20 years
ago and I finally found a use for them, as a
knife block/holder! Books work great for
this, so Patrick's books have a useful
purpose after all.
This is what a book knife block looks like.
ago and I finally found a use for them, as a
knife block/holder! Books work great for
this, so Patrick's books have a useful
purpose after all.
This is what a book knife block looks like.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 21st, 2018 at 3:27:02 PM
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Quote: WizardI feel sorry for the trees that were cut down to make any John Patrick book.
Old thread, but funny comment.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
March 22nd, 2018 at 12:34:21 PM
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Quote: EvenBobI have 4 John Patrick books from 20 years
ago and I finally found a use for them, as a
knife block/holder! Books work great for
this, so Patrick's books have a useful
purpose after all.
This is what a book knife block looks like.
Doesn't seem hygienic...
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
March 22nd, 2018 at 12:44:15 PM
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Quote: AcesAndEights
Doesn't seem hygienic...
And sticking your knife into a wood
block hundreds of times is any
different? The knives are clean, it's
no different than putting clean
flatware in the drawer, or clean
dishes into the cupboard.
You see these rice knife holders for
sale everywhere. A container full
of raw rice that you stick your
knives into. If anything would be
unsanitary, this would be it. And
it's not, because the knives are clean.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 22nd, 2018 at 12:48:28 PM
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I should invent something that holds knives where you can see the blade. I always have to go through a process of random elimination with my wooden knife holder to find my serrated knife. All the handles look the same.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 22nd, 2018 at 12:52:43 PM
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I was told by a possible germaphobe that, he sanitizes used books by microwaving them.Quote: EvenBobAnd sticking your knife into a wood
block hundreds of times is any
different? The knives are clean, it's
no different than putting clean
flatware in the drawer, or clean
dishes into the cupboard.
March 22nd, 2018 at 1:15:26 PM
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Quote: WizardAll the handles look the same.
So change it, goose. When you grab the wrong knife, hold onto it. Then when you find your favorite, use the incorrectly chosen one to score the handle. Now the handle is different and you achieve culinary bliss.
My fillet knife is now yellow for just this reason. No more contaminating the whole block with offal.
The opinions of this moderator are for entertainment purposes only.
March 22nd, 2018 at 1:16:52 PM
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Quote: WizardI should invent something that holds knives where you can see the blade.
Here you go: Magnetic.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 22nd, 2018 at 1:41:38 PM
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Quote: EvenBobHere you go: Magnetic.
Why didn't I think of that?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 22nd, 2018 at 1:43:10 PM
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Quote: WizardWhy didn't I think of that?
Born too late? We had a magnetic one in the
50's, they've been around a hundred years.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 22nd, 2018 at 1:48:42 PM
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Quote: WizardI should invent something that holds knives where you can see the blade.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
March 22nd, 2018 at 2:39:23 PM
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Quote: rxwine
Made me laugh.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
March 23rd, 2018 at 6:45:09 AM
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Quote: bobbartopQuote: rxwine
Made me laugh.
I had one of those (the man was red and made out of plastic though). A friend didn't want it any longer so I took it off their hands. I thought it was great. My girlfriend, not so much. When we moved in together it didn't make the cut, lol.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
March 23rd, 2018 at 6:54:45 AM
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Quote: rxwine
That looks nice but all my dishes and cutlery are a miscellaneous assortment I've accumulated through the years. I still use the same plates I used in college and think I don't have more than a few matching glasses. In the case of Mr. knife holder, my knives just don't match and most probably wouldn't fit.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
