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eclectic
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March 7th, 2016 at 8:45:23 AM permalink
Mustangsally, is the above quote by dicesetter an accurate description of your preferred don't strategy? i.e. not laying odds when the established point is either a 4 or 10? From the replies, I can't tell what the number crunching suggests is the best bet using this strategy. I believe this is aka Patrick's Richocet although he doesn't address the issue of not laying the 4 or 10.

Thank you group for any insights you can provide.
TwoFeathersATL
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March 7th, 2016 at 8:55:17 AM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

Mustangally


I still think your method of playing the dont is a good way.

Now having said that, i think we need to play sometime..... we each take the same amount of starting money
and as i throw you can lay against any point i attempt to make, i will do the same for you and we will see
who has the most money at the end.

that would be fun

The next best thing is just take money from the casino, that is not bad either.

Dicesetter

I liked that post, very diplomatic it seemed. But was still a challenge (did I get that wrong?). Go do it, have some fun, do 't play for big bucks, play for fun. Just 2F
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
mustangsally
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March 7th, 2016 at 9:36:59 AM permalink
Quote: eclectic

Mustangsally, is the above quote by dicesetter an accurate description of your preferred don't strategy? i.e. not laying odds when the established point is either a 4 or 10?

I do not make any don't pass or don't come bets.
They are major sucker bets, imo.

I Lay against the established point most times and sometimes Lay against all the possible box numbers on the come out roll as
1 Seven causes me to win all 6 of my Lay bets.

remember this from the world's top gambling/math expert S. Wong
"knowing HOW and WHEN to place your bets is a workable skill..."

I have that skill... most do not and never will (so it is)
I just born that way
Sally
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rushdl
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March 7th, 2016 at 10:21:08 AM permalink
My personal Don't system is similar, except I still sort of play the come-out, and I bet differently, and I never max odds, and it goes on and on about the differences.
OK so Wow, Waiting for a point, then laying against it? That has to be the rudest and most in your face form of Don'ting I've encountered to date! I have never seen that one before. From what I read earlier it appears you are trying to psych them out by asking "7" questions during the roll? Im still laughing, never seen that one either. And, that actually trumps my first statement.

But seriously,

Question for Sallys play:
1-What do you do when the shooter is hitting points?
2-What is your martingdale or bailout strategy? I see Don'ters get smoked all around me by maxing odds and leaving in a huff after three big misses.
3-How many points can you ride out or do you?
4-If everyone at the table is generally getting one or two points then out, what do you do? Anything different?


I found two things here I've never heard of:

*3 point Betty (in the pass-line)?
*Patricks richocet?


Anyone want to describe these?
eclectic
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March 7th, 2016 at 10:51:09 AM permalink
Not Sally, but you swerved into wanting further clarification.

I'm assuming that Sally does not like the DP/DC because of the 12. Wizard has a post on that subject. The richocet is simply waiting for the come out roll, laying odds on that number, then placing a DC. If the DC# travels remove the odds portion on the first bet, and have two numbers working while awaiting the 7. It's a hedge of sorts. As the name suggests a 7 out 'back at you' is optimal, winning both bets. Recall there was a poll taken and those responders thought the number of rolls a shooter is most often libel to 7P0 is two rolls.

Sally, sounds like you've suggested the possibility of adding an important third element in the equation along with DI and playing the don't: the skill of betting.

Appreciate your valauble insights.
eclectic
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March 7th, 2016 at 10:53:40 AM permalink
Sorry, got confused. You only win one (1) bet in the above description.
SanchoPanza
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March 7th, 2016 at 10:59:33 AM permalink
Quote: eclectic

The richocet is simply waiting for the come out roll, laying odds on that number, then placing a DC. If the DC# travels remove the odds portion on the first bet, and have two numbers working while awaiting the 7.

In the Ricochet, you do not "lay odds" on the come out number. You make a lay bet against the point. And for the other poster, there is nothing the least bit "rude" about laying against the point. I've been doing it for more than 30 years with never even a peep or glance. Now about the Don't Come bets, that's another story.
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March 7th, 2016 at 11:49:51 AM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

And for the other poster, there is nothing the least bit "rude" about laying against the point. I've been doing it for more than 30 years with never even a peep or glance.



You must play in Canada or somewhere like that -- more often than not, when I've seen a player lay the point, he'll get at least a few peeps or glares from other players.
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March 7th, 2016 at 11:55:27 AM permalink
So it looks like Sally is playing Richocet off the point.
Im going to math this one up today.
Lets see, first point has a 59.6% chance of losing 59/99. Ill stop there. That's the same math as my system, teehee. I already do that.
I am happy I learned another viable system based on already solid math.

Now What is the 3-point betty?
SanchoPanza
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March 7th, 2016 at 12:00:50 PM permalink
Quote: RS

You must play in Canada or somewhere like that -- more often than not, when I've seen a player lay the point, he'll get at least a few peeps or glares from other players.

Actually steadily in AC and LV. Only once in AC, at the forlorn Trump Marina a k a Trump's Castle, did it become really ugly. I would say that down on the Strip, most bettors don't fully realize what the lay and don't bets are. And those who do are sophisticated enough to appreciate that we're not really playing on the house's side. Off the strip, the prevailing reaction seems to be the quite typical courtesy of the ever friendly Nevadans. Especially if toking the dealers and cocktail waitresses. The Canadians, I have found, join Californians, Puerto Ricans and Panamanians in not fully understanding and definitely not appreciating don't betting.

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