TheWolf713
Joined: Feb 12, 2013
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June 26th, 2014 at 7:33:59 PM permalink
So with all that said…..

I like VDC's little method….

I like to think of "The math" like a Spoon with the Oil in it.
And the Craps game is the Marvelous Alaskan Mountain range in that we are walking around in..

Along the trail there are some pretty awesome things to see… Some may even require dropping the spoon.
What's more important, the spoon or experience..

You believe your math will eventually be right… I believe my intuition will eventually be right… What's the difference?

Off-topic, Has anyone seen the EDGE of TOMORROW??? Great movie by the way.
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter" -Mark Walberg pain and Gain
AxelWolf
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
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June 26th, 2014 at 7:39:46 PM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

You believe your math will eventually be right… I believe my intuition will eventually be right… What's the difference?
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If your intuition is along the lines of eventually you will lose there is no difference because that's what the math dictates. Intuition is the same as guessing when it comes to gambling.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
petroglyph
Joined: Jan 3, 2013
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June 26th, 2014 at 9:13:41 PM permalink
Quote: VegasDiceController

I think were wasting our time Aaron.... these are Math Guys here for the most part.... not everyday/weekly Craps players like us. They'll toss their Neg Exp point all night and they base all info off Long Term and Not the short term as you said.

So here is a question for you Math Guys than.

What are the ODDS for 1 shooter to roll a 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,11,and 12 with out throwing a 7 ?.... make that 3 twelve's? Put your answer here....________________

Next Question: What are are odds throwing 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,11,and 12 (3 times).... than throwing same thing again in same roll 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,11,and 12 (3 times)?
Yes the twelves was throw 6 times in this hypothetical question? Since your the math gurus, id like a numerical answer if all possible.

TY for taking the time to figure this out.... id like to see how many are correct....

I may interpret some of the negative statements made from some posters about the possibility of anyone having a superior game or being better apt at steering their luck, but it seems to me although those comments are repeated time and again they mostly don't come from what I would call math people. The real mathies just tell it like it is and impress the heck out of me how they can run the numbers so well and fast. Very impressive indeed. I don't think ME, or 7craps or that good looking Sallie ever got in on the down comments the numbers just are what they are.

What I seem to see is others that just can't resist a beatdown on craps players and usually arn't craps players. They are some other kind of players or not. Does someone really think that you or some other enthusiasts hasn't heard that craps is a negative expectaion game? I don't think so. I think they are stroking their own egos with nothing positive to say about anything.

I hope you don't leave because of the negative non comraderie. Good luck out there.
Buzzard
Joined: Oct 28, 2012
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June 26th, 2014 at 9:28:30 PM permalink
Just once I would like to see a dice thread that says this is how I lose my money. Try it, you might like it.
Shed not for her the bitter tear Nor give the heart to vain regret Tis but the casket that lies here, The gem that filled it Sparkles yet
ahiromu
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June 26th, 2014 at 9:37:47 PM permalink
I read your system until you said "make a doey/don't" and got to stop reading there, thanks for saving me the time.
Its - Possessive; It's - "It is" / "It has"; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They're - "They are"
TheWolf713
Joined: Feb 12, 2013
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June 26th, 2014 at 10:14:55 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

If your intuition is along the lines of eventually you will lose there is no difference because that's what the math dictates. Intuition is the same as guessing when it comes to gambling.

And the Math is nothing more…. "I have made a calculated guess.. I feel confident in my guess because I've backed it with data.…."

Data, Data, Data…..
We're running the same race…. You have calculated the marathon, and know all the turns… While my only thought is "There's no one in this race that's going to outrun me".

Who's right?? Whoever is at the finish line first… You might play 8 hours, 3 sessions with your proper bets… I might play 20 mins, and beat the valet back to the window before he hangs the keys of my truck on the wall…

My intuition is more on the lines of this…
You're looking at matter, Im looking at Higgs Boson…
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter" -Mark Walberg pain and Gain
guitarmandp
Joined: Mar 17, 2014
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June 26th, 2014 at 10:23:21 PM permalink
Wait a second, I just emptied out my 401K so I could go along with this system. I'm hoping to get rich.
Lemieux66
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June 26th, 2014 at 10:51:21 PM permalink
Quote: guitarmandp

Wait a second, I just emptied out my 401K so I could go along with this system. I'm hoping to get rich.

Hoping?? Expecting!!
10 eyes for an eye. 10 teeth for a tooth. 10 bucks for a buck?! Hit the bad guys where it hurts the most: the face and the wallet.
beachbumbabs
Joined: May 21, 2013
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June 27th, 2014 at 12:24:43 AM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

" If at any point you feel the shooter is gonna make this point just swing you lay bet odds over to taking odds."

" Be smart, look at racks of amount of chips. small racks and no noise equals perfect table to play this. "

Both these statements are as important as the box man's shoe size.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Big racks and no noise equals the perfect woman!

OMG. It has been so long since someone on this board made me laugh out loud. Well played, gents. Bonus points for the liquor store comment next post, but IBYA had me at hello.
"If the house lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game."
AxelWolf
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
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June 27th, 2014 at 1:20:15 AM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

And the Math is nothing more…. "I have made a calculated guess.. I feel confident in my guess because I've backed it with data.…."

Data, Data, Data…..
We're running the same race…. You have calculated the marathon, and know all the turns… While my only thought is "There's no one in this race that's going to outrun me".

Who's right?? Whoever is at the finish line first… You might play 8 hours, 3 sessions with your proper bets… I might play 20 mins, and beat the valet back to the window before he hangs the keys of my truck on the wall…

My intuition is more on the lines of this…
You're looking at matter, Im looking at Higgs Boson…

keep looking because until it produces a money machine that's not going to help. NO one can step forward and show the world they can beat craps legitimately.

You can play one, 8 hr session or twenty four, 20 min sessions, it does not matter, they all add up to the exact same outcome. Math does not magically start over with a new session or day. How would you know if your intuition is working? Lets say your intuition tell you to stop playing. Now you get in your car and leave how do you know what would have happened if you stayed and played? You could have went on the biggest run of your life had you stayed.

The only thing you are doing by breaking up your sessions into shorter ones, is spending more money on gas and tipping the valet.

What ever floats your boat, play how you like, if its fun for you to imagine what you are doing helps, and it makes you happy, by all means go for it. Just don't delude yourself into thinking it really works any different or that you have an advantage.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪