Looking for additional tips to give new craps players.
June 17th, 2014 at 1:17:36 AM
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In a couple weeks I will be going to LV with some friends/family to celebrate the birthdays of two people who recently turned 21. I decided my gift to the two individuals will be a small bankroll for an intro to craps which will be taught by me. I have been playing craps for three years so I am comfortable teaching and playing craps. I am wondering if anyone has any other tips for new players that I don't have stated below.
1. Never grab the dice with two hands.
2. Keep the dice within the boundaries of the table prior to shooting.
3. Never say "Seven."
4. Always take odds. Even if it's only 1x.
Now, the first two tips I have are pretty standard rules/guidelines of playing the game of craps. My third tip is just to avoid any unnecessary drama and is obviously an unwritten rule.
Keep in mind I'm essentially looking for etiquette tips. I'm not looking for strategies or anything along those lines (I know, tip #4 isn't etiquette but I think it's a justified tip.)
1. Never grab the dice with two hands.
2. Keep the dice within the boundaries of the table prior to shooting.
3. Never say "Seven."
4. Always take odds. Even if it's only 1x.
Now, the first two tips I have are pretty standard rules/guidelines of playing the game of craps. My third tip is just to avoid any unnecessary drama and is obviously an unwritten rule.
Keep in mind I'm essentially looking for etiquette tips. I'm not looking for strategies or anything along those lines (I know, tip #4 isn't etiquette but I think it's a justified tip.)
June 17th, 2014 at 1:32:09 AM
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If they are truly beginners, I prefer no odds or double odds.
You really want to avoid correcting the player -- it just helps them have fun. If they can't afford double odds, then no odds is better IMO.
You can always bet $10 on the pass line if you want more excitement than $5 no odds. The extra cost for the first day of play by betting more on the pass line instead of the odds is worth it to not be confused and betting $5 odds on the five and nine (a 4% edge trying to reduce a 1.41% edge to below 1% -- big mistake).
It's just easier to bet $10 on the line and no odds, really.
Once you get past two hours of play, then introduce odds.
The other advice is not to take ANY advice from dealers. They will sell them the hi-lo in no time.
You really want to avoid correcting the player -- it just helps them have fun. If they can't afford double odds, then no odds is better IMO.
You can always bet $10 on the pass line if you want more excitement than $5 no odds. The extra cost for the first day of play by betting more on the pass line instead of the odds is worth it to not be confused and betting $5 odds on the five and nine (a 4% edge trying to reduce a 1.41% edge to below 1% -- big mistake).
It's just easier to bet $10 on the line and no odds, really.
Once you get past two hours of play, then introduce odds.
The other advice is not to take ANY advice from dealers. They will sell them the hi-lo in no time.
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June 17th, 2014 at 2:24:30 AM
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Don't know where you're playing Ahigh, but I've never seen a dealer actually suggest HiLo. Okay, maybe if 3 of them hit in a row....
But if you ask a dealer for advice, most will say "min bet on line, max odds, and place 6 and 8".
Teaching someone how to play, start with just pass line and odds. After they get the hang of it, introduce place bets. Don't teach them about hard ways. Bad bet and bad habit.
But if you ask a dealer for advice, most will say "min bet on line, max odds, and place 6 and 8".
Teaching someone how to play, start with just pass line and odds. After they get the hang of it, introduce place bets. Don't teach them about hard ways. Bad bet and bad habit.
June 17th, 2014 at 2:32:16 AM
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Quote: RSI've never seen a dealer actually suggest HiLo.
It doesn't matter how they sell you the first time, and it doesn't matter if you realize it or not. But the dealer's job is to sell the prop bets.
Dealers lie, you know, too. They tell stories that are not true in order to get you to lose more quickly.
That's what they do.
If they don't, they aren't really that good at dealing, and they might be working at a place with a $5 minimum (or less).
Plenty of folks have zero experience with real craps dealers who are serious about getting you to part with your money as quickly as possible.
You don't even have to sell high edge bets. Just talking someone into too much exposure often works just as quickly. Max odds on the four or ten when the player is all-in is often enough. Either a big win or go home quick.
Dealers want you to either lose all your money real quickly, or they want you to win and tip really big.
There's not much motivation for a dealer to talk you into making $20 to $50 and then tip $1 to $5.
They want you to lose it all really quick or win enough to toss in green chips or bigger (just as fast hopefully).
Betting single odds with $5 on the pass and $5 odds or $6 odds is not exactly something that a dealer wants a player to do.
I play at just about every single craps table in Las Vegas.
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June 17th, 2014 at 3:28:40 AM
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>1. Never grab the dice with two hands.
Or use two hands to shake them.
>2. Keep the dice within the boundaries of the table prior to shooting.
Even if its a very lovely young waitress who is distracting you at the time.
>3. Never say "Seven."
Avoid saying seven
>4. Always take odds. Even if it's only 1x.
Its best to take odds but don't let it confuse you.
Keep hands out of the way of dice being rolled.
Wait for dealer to push out the chips to you, don't reach or call out of turn.
Frankly, I would suggest that you find a casino that gives ten or eleven am lectures and your gift be that you ALL attend them. After the lecture, then give them a real bankroll and play at a nice slow table with dealers who know they are beginners.
Or use two hands to shake them.
>2. Keep the dice within the boundaries of the table prior to shooting.
Even if its a very lovely young waitress who is distracting you at the time.
>3. Never say "Seven."
Avoid saying seven
>4. Always take odds. Even if it's only 1x.
Its best to take odds but don't let it confuse you.
Keep hands out of the way of dice being rolled.
Wait for dealer to push out the chips to you, don't reach or call out of turn.
Frankly, I would suggest that you find a casino that gives ten or eleven am lectures and your gift be that you ALL attend them. After the lecture, then give them a real bankroll and play at a nice slow table with dealers who know they are beginners.
June 17th, 2014 at 6:02:11 AM
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Quote: AhighIf they are truly beginners, I prefer no odds or double odds.
You really want to avoid correcting the player -- it just helps them have fun. If they can't afford double odds, then no odds is better IMO.
You can always bet $10 on the pass line if you want more excitement than $5 no odds. The extra cost for the first day of play by betting more on the pass line instead of the odds is worth it to not be confused and betting $5 odds on the five and nine (a 4% edge trying to reduce a 1.41% edge to below 1% -- big mistake).
It's just easier to bet $10 on the line and no odds, really.
Once you get past two hours of play, then introduce odds.
The other advice is not to take ANY advice from dealers. They will sell them the hi-lo in no time.
You forgot:
a new player IMO should be prepped to know what the puck is all about. Ahigh, you did a video on this !
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June 17th, 2014 at 7:01:39 AM
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Sounds simple enough, but make sure they only take two dice when presented with the 5 dice. I have seen it many times. Even though people watch the game and see two dice being thrown, when they are presented with the dice from which to choose two, they all want to play Yahtzee. Always a fun time to tease somebody and yell Yahtzee, but save them some embarrassment.
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June 17th, 2014 at 7:03:30 AM
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Teach em how to play the darkside!!!!
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June 17th, 2014 at 7:21:07 AM
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Get them to play bubble craps first so they can see the game payed without slowing down a table. Or show them an online simulation or Wincraps first for the same reason.
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June 17th, 2014 at 8:13:09 AM
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Quote: RSDon't know where you're playing Ahigh, but I've never seen a dealer actually suggest HiLo. Okay, maybe if 3 of them hit in a row....
But if you ask a dealer for advice, most will say "min bet on line, max odds, and place 6 and 8".
Teaching someone how to play, start with just pass line and odds. After they get the hang of it, introduce place bets. Don't teach them about hard ways. Bad bet and bad habit.
I have played in many casinos east of the MS,and in Vegas. While I agree with you that most dealers would offer the good advice of PL and odds bet, I also agree with AH that some dealers will soon have the player betting money in the center. I have seen it happen a dozen or more times.
I've never understood why the dealer would want to do that. Are they just jerks? Do they hate their customers so much that they are trying to make them look dumb? Or, are they just so bad at craps they don't understand how bad their advice is?
Fortunately there seems to be way more good dealers than the clowns.
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June 17th, 2014 at 8:34:12 AM
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Tell then the dealers get nervous if they can't see the dice.Quote: befamous71. Never grab the dice with two hands.
2. Keep the dice within the boundaries of the table prior to shooting.
Are the newbies guys or gals? If guys, tell them to try to not appear like they are new. Just like in life, female virgins are cherished, male virgins are odd.
If they get into place or come bets, explain the relationship between where they stand and where their chips go.
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June 17th, 2014 at 8:44:27 AM
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It's also posted to another thread, but yes, I did make a series of videos for new craps players.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0YLeM02ZJ54Y5liDjFoKA6MEzxjxyRIJ
These videos are intended to help the new player avoid making mistakes that can possibly reduce the chance that they are going to feel confident and have a good time.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0YLeM02ZJ54Y5liDjFoKA6MEzxjxyRIJ
These videos are intended to help the new player avoid making mistakes that can possibly reduce the chance that they are going to feel confident and have a good time.
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June 17th, 2014 at 8:50:20 AM
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I don't think that holds. Tips? Yes. Win or lose? Not so much, except insofar as it affects tips. I find that most dealers are by and large social types and would rather be dealing with an easygoing and preferably humorous table than standing around twiddling their thumbs and other digits waiting out their 20-minute turns doing nothing but wasting time and shooting the breeze.Quote: AhighDealers want you to either lose all your money real quickly, or they want you to win and tip really big..
June 17th, 2014 at 11:33:51 AM
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Oh, yeah.... Tips.
I meant to include:
If you're gonna tip anyway, do it at the beginning. Make a $5 pass line bet, and put a $1 chip next to it "for the boys." Continue doing that and the dealers will, or at least should, help you out.
I meant to include:
If you're gonna tip anyway, do it at the beginning. Make a $5 pass line bet, and put a $1 chip next to it "for the boys." Continue doing that and the dealers will, or at least should, help you out.
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June 17th, 2014 at 7:17:45 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBear
Are the newbies guys or gals? If guys, tell them to try to not appear like they are new. Just like in life, female virgins are cherished, male virgins are odd.
One guy and one gal.
Place bets and come bets will surely be taught. The purpose of my thread, as you pointed out, is to make it appear like they aren't craps virgins.
June 17th, 2014 at 7:22:10 PM
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Quote: befamous7One guy and one gal.
Place bets and come bets will surely be taught. The purpose of my thread, as you pointed out, is to make it appear like they aren't craps virgins.
why? There is nothing wrong with that. I see new players all of the time and just about everytime the crew is really helpful to them. I don't know if the same would hold true in LV or AC though.
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June 17th, 2014 at 7:37:16 PM
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For the overwhelming majority of dealers, yes. Somewhat less so for the floor personnel.Quote: GWAEJjust about every time the crew is really helpful to them. I don't know if the same would hold true in LV or AC though.
June 17th, 2014 at 7:52:26 PM
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Quote: GWAEwhy? There is nothing wrong with that. I see new players all of the time and just about everytime the crew is really helpful to them. I don't know if the same would hold true in LV or AC though.
Mainly to make them feel as comfortable as possible playing one of the most intimidating games in the casino (one of the most intimidating in my opinion.) I've never played with a craps virgin who wasn't nervous. I'd just like to ease there nerves as much as possible. Being a self taught player I will never forget how much I wish I had someone teach me what it's like playing at a table. It's like a real estate agent said to me once, "While getting your real estate license they teach you the laws and regulations, but they don't teach you how to sell."
June 17th, 2014 at 9:25:00 PM
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5. When buying in, wait until a roll is ended, and the stickman has the dice at table center.
6. Place buy-in on the table for the dealer to pick up. Never hand money to the dealer.
6. Place buy-in on the table for the dealer to pick up. Never hand money to the dealer.
June 18th, 2014 at 3:16:51 AM
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List of what I think has been the best advice, including your own. No particular order, except I added "A#1" which should be presented as a matter of reassurance to the nervous newbie: the basic bet is as simple as betting on the red or black in roulette. The newbie can ignore all other bets to start.
Assuming a complete newbie
A#1. Know to look for and find first the Pass line.
1. Never grab the dice with two hands.
2. Keep the dice within the boundaries of the table prior to shooting.
3. Never say "Seven."
4. Always take odds. Even if it's only 1x. this is good, actually, but see below
5. When buying in, wait until a roll is ended, and the stickman has the dice at table center.
6. Place buy-in on the table for the dealer to pick up. Never hand money to the dealer.
7. either play no odds, or maybe double odds
8. do not take ANY advice from dealers
9. know what the puck is all about
I would wait until there is clear evidence they have the above down cold before going with these bets, including odds bets, your #4.
Which place bets? Personally I would put the ixnay on all but 6/8, or at least warn that there is increasing and undesirable House advantage as you move further outside.
Assuming a complete newbie
A#1. Know to look for and find first the Pass line.
1. Never grab the dice with two hands.
2. Keep the dice within the boundaries of the table prior to shooting.
3. Never say "Seven."
4. Always take odds. Even if it's only 1x. this is good, actually, but see below
5. When buying in, wait until a roll is ended, and the stickman has the dice at table center.
6. Place buy-in on the table for the dealer to pick up. Never hand money to the dealer.
7. either play no odds, or maybe double odds
8. do not take ANY advice from dealers
9. know what the puck is all about
Quote: befamous7Place bets and come bets will surely be taught.
I would wait until there is clear evidence they have the above down cold before going with these bets, including odds bets, your #4.
Quote: befamous7Place bets and come bets will surely be taught.
Which place bets? Personally I would put the ixnay on all but 6/8, or at least warn that there is increasing and undesirable House advantage as you move further outside.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell! She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
June 18th, 2014 at 5:51:35 AM
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Quote:8. do not take ANY advice from dealers
I'd qualify this by saying:
8. do not take ANY advice from dealers on which bets to place and be wary of advice on other stuff.
Not all dealer advice is bad necessarily...
Some good advice I've gotten from dealers:
-- Put your drink on the shelf below the rail.
-- You should have your play rated.
-- The point is 9. You should put a white chip on top of that $5 odds bet.
-- Ask the Pit Boss about getting a buffet.
Some bad advice I've gotten from dealers:
-- The point is 9... place the 5.
-- New shooter coming out... Yo bets? Craps bets? etc.
-- The 6 rolled easy... bet it back hard!
-- The 6 rolled hard... bet it back hard!
-- Take it down? You'll be sorry if it hits next roll.
-- You should try the steakhouse upstairs. It's the best.
As for other tips for your trip, you might want to find an empty table for their first experience -- try first thing in the morning. Also, I've found that the dealers will be very helpful if, while explaining the game to your friends, they overhear you telling your friends how to tip.
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June 18th, 2014 at 8:15:59 AM
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Other tips:
Wait to pick up a winning bet until after it's been paid
The dealers pick up and pay bets in a certain order, don't be immediately alarmed if they don't pay you as long as they are following procedure
Wait to place new bets until after the previous rolls bets are resolved
Have all bets down before the dice go out to the shooter
If the dice go off the table and you pick it up, keep it visible and immediately hand it back to the base dealer (or other pit personnel who may ask for it)
Wait to pick up a winning bet until after it's been paid
The dealers pick up and pay bets in a certain order, don't be immediately alarmed if they don't pay you as long as they are following procedure
Wait to place new bets until after the previous rolls bets are resolved
Have all bets down before the dice go out to the shooter
If the dice go off the table and you pick it up, keep it visible and immediately hand it back to the base dealer (or other pit personnel who may ask for it)
June 18th, 2014 at 9:35:47 AM
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Quote: befamous7In a couple weeks I will be going to LV with some friends/family to celebrate the birthdays of two people who recently turned 21. I decided my gift to the two individuals will be a small bankroll for an intro to craps which will be taught by me. I have been playing craps for three years so I am comfortable teaching and playing craps. I am wondering if anyone has any other tips for new players that I don't have stated below.
1. Never grab the dice with two hands.
2. Keep the dice within the boundaries of the table prior to shooting.
3. Never say "Seven."
4. Always take odds. Even if it's only 1x.
Now, the first two tips I have are pretty standard rules/guidelines of playing the game of craps. My third tip is just to avoid any unnecessary drama and is obviously an unwritten rule.
Keep in mind I'm essentially looking for etiquette tips. I'm not looking for strategies or anything along those lines (I know, tip #4 isn't etiquette but I think it's a justified tip.)
Consider going to the top of the page and click on search and type in etiquette, there are considerable threads on just this topic here at wov.
Probably not time enough now but if a person wants to learn the game of craps there are many books on craps [threads on this as well] I do and others have recomended "Scarne on Dice" as the best book on craps.
As you are aware there are also many videos online that show topics on the game if you wanted to screen them first or share them with your people.
Tips? Ok, had to think. Mine would be, if it's your turn to shoot, then shut up and shoot. It takes quite a while to have the mental capacity to watch your bets, teach and talk at the same time. Everyone else at the table is waiting for the dice to be thrown as most also have money on the felt and are waiting resolution. Others have said, often in the morning you can get a table to yourselves. If they want to get in on the excitement, well we know that usually happens later in the day when the drinks are going down the gamblers gullets.
June 18th, 2014 at 9:50:59 AM
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On average, with the average amount of players. If 2 people wanted to cover both sides in craps betting approximately $200 how much will they lose per hr in EV?
Do casinos rate craps players differently on a full because its slower as opposed to playing with fewer people?
Do casinos rate craps players differently on a full because its slower as opposed to playing with fewer people?
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June 18th, 2014 at 10:15:32 AM
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Quote: odiousgambit
Which place bets? Personally I would put the ixnay on all but 6/8, or at least warn that there is increasing and undesirable House advantage as you move further outside.
I myself prefer 6/8 if I'm not playing the come. I'll definitely explain them how the other numbers are less likely to come up than 6/8. Remembering the odds amounts are a little difficult, especially if you try to remember while playing for your first time.
June 18th, 2014 at 12:16:50 PM
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My advice is to buy in with enough money to play the game.
Nothing turns off a new player faster than losing all of their money in 10 minutes, which can easily happen in craps.
If they can afford to buy in with $200 on a $5 table, then they have a decent chance at lasting for quite a while.
1.) I would teach them about the puck. It is so important for the newbie to be able to have that reference point to keep up.
2.) PL bet. As stated before, either NO ODDs, or go with 2X odds. That way you won't have to constantly correct the 5 and 9 odds to even them up, which will confuse the heck out of them.
3.) When they seem comfortable with PL, I would add in the Place 6 and 8 bet. But only add this if they have sufficient chips in the rack.
4.) While not the smartest bet, $1 on the hardways is exciting for new players. I would explain it as a bad bet, but fun to play at times.
That would give them plenty of excitement.
The Field bet is easily understood, and if it pays 3x on a 12, it isn't bad. The Field gets a bad rep here, but if your friends are having a hard time grasping the other aspects of craps, the Field is easy to learn. And it is still better than any Roulette bet.
Nothing turns off a new player faster than losing all of their money in 10 minutes, which can easily happen in craps.
If they can afford to buy in with $200 on a $5 table, then they have a decent chance at lasting for quite a while.
1.) I would teach them about the puck. It is so important for the newbie to be able to have that reference point to keep up.
2.) PL bet. As stated before, either NO ODDs, or go with 2X odds. That way you won't have to constantly correct the 5 and 9 odds to even them up, which will confuse the heck out of them.
3.) When they seem comfortable with PL, I would add in the Place 6 and 8 bet. But only add this if they have sufficient chips in the rack.
4.) While not the smartest bet, $1 on the hardways is exciting for new players. I would explain it as a bad bet, but fun to play at times.
That would give them plenty of excitement.
The Field bet is easily understood, and if it pays 3x on a 12, it isn't bad. The Field gets a bad rep here, but if your friends are having a hard time grasping the other aspects of craps, the Field is easy to learn. And it is still better than any Roulette bet.
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June 18th, 2014 at 12:28:39 PM
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If the dice go off the table ...
let others deal with it, be they players or employees. You concentrate on your chips and your bets on the layout and do not get distracted or start working for the casino without pay.
let others deal with it, be they players or employees. You concentrate on your chips and your bets on the layout and do not get distracted or start working for the casino without pay.
June 18th, 2014 at 3:08:09 PM
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Quote: befamous7In a couple weeks I will be going to LV with some friends/family to celebrate the birthdays of two people who recently turned 21. I decided my gift to the two individuals will be a small bankroll for an intro to craps which will be taught by me.
just turned 21? Vegas? just show them where the bars are and how to get free drinks!
June 18th, 2014 at 3:33:17 PM
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Girls already get free drinks in bars. Better to teach them craps and have them win a bundle of money.Quote: andyg99just turned 21? Vegas? just show them where the bars are and how to get free drinks!
June 18th, 2014 at 4:47:10 PM
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Quote: FleaStiffGirls already get free drinks in bars. Better to teach them craps and have them win a bundle of money.
girls at the craps tables who have never rolled before are the key to making riches! I remember one gal rolling for almost 40 minutes, she needed a mentor next to her, poor thing was only making pass line bets with no odds... I was on the other side of the table, after the roll she made out ok in tips though....
June 18th, 2014 at 10:32:58 PM
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Most casinos have formulas that do NOT reflect "actual speed of play". So play on a blackjack table that is chock a block full and involves side bets galore is comped at the same rate as playing one to one with the dealer.Quote: AxelWolfDo casinos rate craps players differently on a full because its slower as opposed to playing with fewer people?
Same thing for craps... playing at an empty table versus a full table is not part of their formula. They have a figure for "craps" not "fast craps at empty table" and "slow craps at full table".
