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September 23rd, 2013 at 4:43:31 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Why did YOU bring it up?



I didn't bring it up this time:

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/15135-uh-not-surprising/2/#post270198

Quote: Zcore

You didn't mention the name of the person you are referring to, but I bet you I can guess. And he criticized me for trying to tell him I've seen it a thousands of times.

Hopefully he can stop himself. He's said multiple times he's going to stop giving information about his wins/losses and he can't do it for more than a few days in a row.



Or this time:

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/13529-can-you-be-banned-for-dice-control-have-casinos-done-this/10/#post271406

Quote: Zcore

It's too bad you lose so much money on a game you you can't seem to understand.



Or this time:

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/14313-ahigh-suspension/33/#post255946

Quote: Zcore

I agree. I see it every day. There are 3 things that can completely ruin your life if you are not careful... drugs, alcohol and gambling. There are plenty of other things that can disrupt your life and make your life difficult, but drugs, alcohol and gambling to excess are life changing and devastating. I don't wish the problems from these 3 addictions on anyone. Even if you don't lose all your money, you generally start losing jobs, relationships, friends and family over it.



Do you still think that I brought this subject up, Alan? Why would you ask that question if you didn't after I specifically stated it's not a topic for discussion even if you DID think I brought it up. My message was clear, I don't want to talk about personal issues like this. If you want to talk about your personal problems, I don't even want to talk about that in fact. Let's talk about non-personal issues, shall we?
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September 23rd, 2013 at 4:45:33 PM permalink
Quote: FrankScoblete

First let me make a distinction between “dice setting” and controlled shooting. A tremendous number of players set the dice this way, that way, some other way. This is nothing more than just setting the dice. Often these “dice setters” will wing the dice down the table where they bounce all over the place after hitting the back wall. Nothing but a random game here.

The dice controller (dice influencer) on the other hand not only sets the dice but takes care with his roll. Here the object isn’t just a dice set but some control of the outcome of a roll. No longer a totally random game in this case.

Can a “dice setter” be thrown out of the casinos? Yes. I’ve never personally seen a plain, old dice setter who does not have a controlled throw bounced (other than for drunkenness or that kind of thing). I’ve never seen a drink spilled on someone who has had hot rolls in order to cool him off, whether that someone is merely a dice setter or a dice controller. Why bother losing beverage money when the “tap on the shoulder” can start the heave-ho-ing? (Note: Alan Mendelson mentioned in a post that he got the “tap” at several Vegas casinos and he had no dice control skill. So he is the exception to my experience.)

Yes, a dice controller can be barred (“Sir, you can play any other game in the casino but you cannot shoot the dice at craps.”) or banned. (“If you come back to this casino in the future you will be arrested for trespassing.”) Although casinos in Vegas, other Nevada venues, Mississippi and in most of the Midwest casinos don’t have to give a reason, they usually do. (“Sir, you are too good for us.”)

Sadly both things have happened to me. In Tunica, in a single week, I was banned from every casino. (I have the full story of this in my book The Virgin Kiss.) I was threatened with arrest if I returned (the banning in Fitzgerald’s was nasty; the banning at the Grand – now Harrah’s – was almost comical – it took eight suits to do it; the banning at Sam’s Town was weird because I hadn’t even started playing) and the pit boss at Gold Strike let me know that no matter what casino I went into I would get the heave-ho. He was right. I went into three more and out I was escorted. They didn’t want my play in Mississippi. This was for craps by the way. Most were “trespassing” offenses (if I came back I would get arrested for trespassing) and a couple were a little scary (although the scariest banning that ever happened to me was in the early 1990s in Vegas).

I know many of you have seen “My Cousin Vinny” and you think it is a comedy. It’s actually a documentary. I do not want to go to jail in Mississippi.

The following year I went down to Tunica to teach a dice control class. We had 40 students. The sheriff’s department came to the non-casino hotel where we were going to hold the class and told me that I would be arrested if I held the class because I would be using “gaming tables” to teach the students on and there was some kind of “Faro” law from the 1800’s that banned gaming tables for private use.

My lawyer said we would win the case hands-down as we had won a case in the early 2000’s where we were also threatened with arrest for teaching how to beat the casinos. (“No one is allowed to teach people the casino games in Mississippi unless you are a dealers’ school.”) We took that case to the Mississippi attorney general who realized it was a “free speech” case and he withdrew the charges. Still, it cost a small fortune to establish “free speech” in Mississippi. This victory allowed other dice control teachers to continue with their classes.

My lawyer also told me that Mississippi would keep bringing up reasons to arrest me even though they would lose every case. His view was that the state was only interested in harassing me by costing me lawyers’ fees. He recommended that we move our classes to Tennessee which we did. I haven’t set foot in Mississippi since, although I am glad that Mississippi has finally passed the 13th Amendment to the Constitution in recent years which was the Amendment that outlawed slavery. (http://www.digtriad.com/news/article/270499/1/Mississippi-Ratifies-13th-Amendment-148-Years-After-Slavery-Abolished)

We hired buses and drove all of our students into Tennessee. As I just said, I haven’t stepped foot in Mississippi since.

My most recent banning for craps was at Bellagio in Las Vegas. The full story of that banning will be in my next book. It was a really nasty banning shared with Jerry “Stickman,” John “Skinny,” and “Not Too Soon.” I mean a really nasty, nasty banning.

Those writers who claim that no one has ever been banned for dice control just haven’t experienced it or don’t know anyone who has been unfortunate enough to be “asked” to leave the casinos or threatened with arrest should they return. Trust me, it is not fun. Trust me, it has happened.

Although Atlantic City cannot technically ban an advantage player, it can make your play a PITA (pain-in-the-ass). One night in 2002 or 2003 (memory fails at the moment), John “Skinny” in front of 10 witnesses was almost physically assaulted by a Pit Boss named Francis at the Claridge. John is an excellent dice controller and had just rolled his 26th number. He is also a BIG bettor, often orange chips. The dice scooted over to the box person’s side of the table, out of the view of Francis who was hovering over the game like a buzzard. Francis leaped over to the table and started yelling at Skinny.

We had about eight other people at the table including Marilyn “the Goddess,” Charlie “Sandtrap,” Jack “the Raging Baritone,” Dominator, Jerry “Stickman” and some others whose names I have forgotten at the moment.

John “Skinny” had indeed hit the back wall with both dice. We all saw that, as did the dealers. But when asked about it, the dealers stayed mum – obviously they didn’t want to contradict their raging boss. Several rolls later, Skinny did miss the back wall. At that point, Francis leapt across the table – and I mean across the table with his whole body – going after Skinny who backed up. If I were writing fiction I’d have had Francis foaming at the mouth during this encounter. He wasn’t foaming, just slobbering and spitting.

Francis said he would take the dice away from Skinny if he missed the back wall again. The floor person and box person helped Francis get off the table. Skinny sevened out a few rolls later and took all his orange chips and colored up. We all colored up.

There was a casino manager at Trump Plaza who also tended to go berserk when we played there – this was probably eight years ago. He’d come down and start threatening to take the dice away if we missed the back wall. For some strange reason, some casino people (and some players) think that is what a dice controller is trying to do – miss the back wall. Not so. Since the throw is geared to hitting the back wall, a back wall miss is probably just a random throw. (I am discounting those few players who can actually do a “kill shot.”) I have information about the back wall in “Cutting Edge Craps.” It isn’t always what it seems.

Maybe the all time record for being barred for craps happened at Bally’s in Vegas when 17 of us – yes 17 of us – playing at two different tables were “asked” to leave in a most disgraceful way. It seems both tables had shooters who were wickedly on fire – happily I was one of them. The casino was losing a lot of money. (Not all dice controllers are small bettors although that is another myth that seems to have circulated.) The suits and security guards came over in force. They stopped the game. They surrounded us.

Since true nastiness reigned during this, one of our players Arman “Pit Boss,” got into a face-to-face shouting match with the casino manager. If Arman had gone totally nuts (he’s a former soccer player and strong as a former soccer player), that casino manager would have been toast. We pulled him away and all 17 of us left the casino.

I am now writing a chapter in a new book about the experiences I have had in the area of ungracious behavior by casinos. I go into detail about such cases.

Why did my bannings happen? I only have myself to blame. I ruined myself in Tunica because I kept going back and back and back for more. I should have lessened the length of my stays, not played at the same casinos time and time again. I didn’t follow my own advice. Same thing happened at Bellagio. Same at Treasure Island. Same at other Vegas casinos. But I’ve also experienced (too many times!), the tap for blackjack as well.










In Mississippi I had a monster roll on the crapless table.Comeout-11 became the point then I rolled through 4 stickmen I think it was like 50 minutes I knew all the suits there because i had lost several thousand over the past 2 years.One guy started with quarters on every number and kept pressing.About 10-12's came and made a whole lot of people some good money.The big bet guy had 2K on it and this little asian lady was playing 10 bucks come and 200 in odds,they both hit it about 4 times with good money on it.Several regular numbers hit too.I started with my last 200 and got 2700 more on that roll with just 10 bucks on everything.That roll made me a celebrity with the regulars.I was still just a Clark Griswald to the bosses,but the good news was I had 5 bucks on every number for the dealers with same bet action that I was controlling.Obviously they all clapped after it was said and done.

I have never seen that many rednecks go nuts in one place before.Everyone together probably took down 100-150K off the table.The degens stayed there and gave it all back but half of them walked winners.Until that roll I had never seen people stand in line to make bets,and chips thrown over heads to get a bet down. It was magic for 50 minutes.

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September 23rd, 2013 at 4:45:36 PM permalink
Have you ever sold anything to finance your gambling? NO. But I've sold things to pay for a divorce.

I can safely assume you were not represented by Acesofspades ?

Of course divorce settlement are expensive, but worth every penny spent.
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September 23rd, 2013 at 4:52:23 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

YOU are the one who cannot shut up about his personal life; you've posted many photos of your home, car and family on gambling boards and youtube.

So your personal life is not so sacrosanct, is it?

Whether you have a gambling problem would seem arguably relevant, as it could affect your motivation viz. your ongoing inquiry into whether dice setting can be scientifically proven.

An addict might be tempted to fudge the results, e.g. False Hope could lead you to conclude it is real, when results show otherwise.

But carry on, we're all Bozos on this bus.



I thought it should be obvious, but since it's not obvious to you, the type of personal things that I have a problem with are problem related. I listed three very specific personal things that I wish not to discuss. Let me reiterate them since you cannot understand why I wish not to discuss these specific personal areas:

#1) Gambling problems
#2) Mental health
#3) Sexual orientation

There are more, but I am okay with people looking at a photo of me and saying "you look like a happy guy, it must be fun to live in Las Vegas."

That's very personal and it's okay with me.

What I think you seem to be missing is that when people talk about personal PROBLEMS like GAMBLING PROBLEMS or PROBLEMS WITH SEXUAL IDENTITY or PROBLEMS WITH MENTAL HEALTH that is the personal talk I wish not to discuss. All of these areas that I wish not to discuss on this forum are areas where I feel I am being insulted in a very personal way with a veiled question intended to insult me. It's not so much that it's JUST personal, but it's more of a veiled personal INSULT. So as a result, I wish to say that I do not wish to discuss it. But for whatever reason, folks like yourself cannot understand the difference between posting a photo of my kids, my car, my house, my craps table from an insult where someone insults me by saying that I have a problem that I don't have; you're simply illustrating that you fail to get the point that I'm making.

Just like your photo of a clown in a bus is a personal insult. That's a perfect example of the kind of personal insult that I wish not to be a topic of conversation.

Let me know if you still lack the ability to determine what the difference is between me sharing personal INFORMATION and having a problem with people accusing me of having disorders that are very personal and insulting in nature, and I will take lots of extra time to explain it in a really detailed way with links and photos so that you can understand.
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September 23rd, 2013 at 5:02:28 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh



Just like your photo of a clown in a bus is a personal insult.



You should add it to your list of verboten subjects.

#1) Gambling problems
#2) Mental health
#3) Sexual orientation

4. Bozo jokes.
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September 23rd, 2013 at 5:24:36 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

4. Bozo jokes.



That is MrV on the right there. The overriding point I want to make though is that it is the personal comments and questions that are insulting that I have an issue with.



We all have personal information up on this site. Even MrV. Personal stuff comes up and that is absolutely fine.

I draw the line, though, when people make it a point to have discussions about personal things that are insulting.

Surely even Mr V who is photographed above here can understand the difference between sharing something personal (like a photo) and saying something mean and hurtful relating to the photo.
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September 23rd, 2013 at 5:29:30 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

Just like your photo of a clown in a bus is a personal insult. That's a perfect example of the kind of personal insult that I wish not to be a topic of conversation.



Oh dear me.

(facepalm)

(and don't think I saw I didn't see what you did just now with MrV's photo... oh so mature).
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September 23rd, 2013 at 5:48:09 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

and don't think I saw I didn't see what you did just now with MrV's photo... oh so mature.



You mean showing it? I consider this to be an appropriate thing as far as something that is personal (showing a personal photo of someone without saying something mean).

MrV has, on more than one occasion, brought up the subject of "clowns" when my name comes up. Again, name-calling isn't allowed, so he can't call me a clown. But he can show photos of clowns in a short bus and he can make comments like those that he did in this post:

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/14313-ahigh-suspension/89/#post268203

Because that's alright by the rules. The thing that escapes me is how so many people can fail to understand that people are smart enough to understand what they mean. In Mr V.'s case, maybe I don't understand what he means, but if he's not trying to insult me I would be very surprised because I am in fact insulted, and I don't think that this guy likes me at all, and I'm pretty sure he would be happy if somehow he did something that upset me without breaking the rules.

This kind of thing is sort of continuous between many forum members (the veiled insults). Is there anyone else who thinks that the clown reference that Mr V brings up is not an insult?

As far as showing a photo of Mr. V, I hope that's not insulting, and it wasn't meant to be insulting. That is just simply of a photo of him smiling revealing himself to the camera.
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September 23rd, 2013 at 5:49:36 PM permalink
who's the douche bag sitting beside Mr.V?

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September 23rd, 2013 at 5:49:41 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

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Do you have a larger one? I can barely make out
the pores on rw4potus nose.

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