Zcore13
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March 15th, 2013 at 5:39:13 PM permalink
It would have to be that way for your theory to work. You say that the boxman switches the dice to more favorable or differently weighted dice to cheat the players. How would he do this if he was not in the loop?

ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
Harley
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March 15th, 2013 at 5:48:17 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

It would have to be that way for your theory to work. You say that the boxman switches the dice to more favorable or differently weighted dice to cheat the players. How would he do this if he was not in the loop?

ZCore13



This is a good question (for someone "that does not understand how casinos work" ) .... Depends on the casino, but usually Table Games Supervisor or Security controls which dice are carried to the craps pit ... the Boxman is just a simple conduit doing as he is told by those above him .... Boxman usually receives a call from "above" as to which dice are to be played on which table (for example Sam's Town, Golden Nugget, etc.) or they follow a very strict game plan book (ie, Bellagio, Rampart, etc.)
.... that is simply my opinion .... Ciao, Harley ... Link = http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/
bbvk05
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March 15th, 2013 at 5:54:01 PM permalink
Quote: Harley

Boxman usually receives a call from "above" as to which dice are to be played on which table





Harley
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March 15th, 2013 at 5:58:42 PM permalink
more like
.... that is simply my opinion .... Ciao, Harley ... Link = http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/
bbvk05
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March 15th, 2013 at 6:01:19 PM permalink
Quote: Harley

more like




No, more like your claim is laughable horseshit.
onenickelmiracle
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March 15th, 2013 at 6:10:01 PM permalink
I thought the claim was the dice were only moderately biased and not known which way for each die.
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Zcore13
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March 15th, 2013 at 6:52:02 PM permalink
Quote: Harley

This is a good question (for someone "that does not understand how casinos work" ) .... Depends on the casino, but usually Table Games Supervisor or Security controls which dice are carried to the craps pit ... the Boxman is just a simple conduit doing as he is told by those above him .... Boxman usually receives a call from "above" as to which dice are to be played on which table (for example Sam's Town, Golden Nugget, etc.) or they follow a very strict game plan book (ie, Bellagio, Rampart, etc.)



Once again you are incorrect in how the process works and you are making yourself look silly. In all seriousness, I think you should take a step back and regroup. You are all over the place.

ZCore13
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EvenBob
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March 15th, 2013 at 6:57:24 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Once again you are incorrect in how the process works and you are making yourself look silly.

ZCore13



Sir, need I remind you this is the Masked Player
who is a personal hero to Ahigh, who claims
Harley knows more about craps than any of
the 'lesser fools' on this forum.

Please rethink your position, Zcore..
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
Harley
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March 15th, 2013 at 8:08:29 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

I thought the claim was the dice were only moderately biased and not known which way for each die.



Sorry for the confusion, there are varying degrees of Dice in play --- we have found:

- Very Fair Dice (Colorado has the most fair dice the most often)
- almost fair dice (close enough to play your regular game as advertised by the Wizard)

- Stick is moderately biased - gives a more flat distribution than a true pyramid distribution

- Dice are extremely biased - House edge is tremendously increased (example Blue dice at Sunset Station, Henderson, NV)

- Stick of dice with mixed results - some fair, some not fair and/or some die in a stick biased to different numbers

Player beware ... observe before you play blindly
.... that is simply my opinion .... Ciao, Harley ... Link = http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/
Ahigh
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March 15th, 2013 at 8:24:03 PM permalink
I have no idea how the balance observed affects the liklihood of each face coming up.

But a brand new stick of dice never used never cancelled .. generally each cube comes up different from the other cubes from the same stick in my balance.

IE: the request for "same dice" may be one superstition that has more merit than other superstitions when you are on a good roll.

I also want to add it is very labor intensive to inspect the balance of each cube. But there is no question that each die is different in my balance. The only question is whether the tolerance of balance is good enough not to matter or not.

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