Does playing on the strip in Vegas have any disadvantages if you are a craps player?

Does playing on the strip in Vegas have any disadvantages if you are a craps player?

If so what do you think they are? Also do you feel that you are putting yourself at a disadvantage by getting a comped room, by having to play longer at the tables so you can get that free room?

I believe the rules are the same but if you have the bankroll to take advantage of more odds then I think you can find places off the strip that offer more than 345x.

Wrong has is right, it's about what kind of gambling you want to do. If you're a low variance, 2x odds player, you're not going to gain anything by playing off strip. You'll be able to find field 3x on a 12 as well as commission after win on buy bets on the strip. Even then, Casino Royale allows 100x odds if you can stomach that place. Checkout the Wizard's craps survey (he doesn't have field/buy bets) in guides > craps survey.

You're talking about hit and run vs. playing long sessions. Although it's true that your expected loss is bigger for a four hour session than a one hour session, if you play four one hour sessions in your trip your expected loss is the exact same as one four hour session.

Example: I played three hours and won $700. The next morning I played for an hour and lost $500. You never know what's going to happen if you play for an hour. Some people like to cover their butts with sessions loss limits and such, this is just a creative way to create a bunch of small losing sessions. Exceptions are made for wonging in and out of advantage play.

Therefore, if you were planning on playing four hours anyway, you may as well put it all into one session and get that room comp rather than not get any comps with four hit and run hourlong sessions. On the other hand, if you're playing with a tight budget, you risk losing everything by trying to extend your session to four hours. Therefore, just pay for your room and gamble whenever or however you want.

My two cents anyway.

Edit: Sometimes the field bet pay is in a hotel review.

Also, I may be wrong here, but, in my experience (and low level of play...) the strip is stingy with their comps. That, and avoiding the crowds are reason enough for me to move elsewhere. (Also, I tend to travel with 5/10$ BJ players, and the 6:5 on the strip is awful.)

Quote: superrick

Does playing on the strip in Vegas have any disadvantages if you are a craps player?

Of course.
First, The Strip tends to move the dice FAST. Downtown is slower and LOCALS are the slowest. Oh heck, of course these are impressions and averages and yeah, you go waste your time with a stop watch whenever you want to, but in general its the strip that keeps those dice moving!

And its the strip properties that are the tourist lures with the toughest "nut" they need... Strip properties charge higher room rates and want to see more action (higher bets and longer times at table).

Is this a disadvantage to YOU? Heck I don't know. If your wife tells you "The Strip or a Divorce" arguments about how fast the dice move in Hoboken aren't going to be any too relevant. Rooms, costs, travel time, crowds, ostentation ... its all part of the deal. Is it a trip to Vegas (meaning the Venetian) or a trip to Sams Town? Its a big difference. Some wives want to see opulence, others just want adventure.

There used to be "Downtown Odds" and "Strip Odds" but the geography no longer holds and it only applied to certain bets anyway and not everyone ever makes those bets, so who cares anymore.

>by having to play longer at the tables so you can get that free room?
Comps are things that YOU should KNOW about in order for YOU to make a DECISION. Comps are a lure, don't let them be the hook.
IF you are at a strip property and must do FOUR HOURS a session then you have to KNOW that but it is your decision to keep standing there on a losing streak or not. If a meal comp is in the offing, it is YOUR decision. Buffets always used to be smaller downtown but generally were better quality than the strip. Now, size and price vary all over the place... as does value. Shopping? Spas?
Comps are a deciding factor perhaps but should never be a controlling factor!

Good points all abound. Let's summarize:

Large strip casinos usually don't offer more than 3-4-5x odds, so if you're a pass or don't bettor who likes odds, then you're bound pretty much to Casino Royale.

Large strip casinos usually don't pay 3x on the 12 for field bets (though there are a few that do).

Large strip casinos usually take the vig when placing a "buy" bet at the time a bet is made, whereas off-strip they only pay on a win, lowering the advantage on the "Buy" bets substantially.

Comps for low-level items (food, etc) are harder to get, especially at Caesar's properties where table games are notoriously undercomped.

You likely wont' get noticed at large strip properties unless you're at a $25 table.

At large strip properties, it will be difficult to find $5 / $10 tables at peak times.

Dealers are faster and there's pressure on to get the dice moving. Time is money in a strip casino.

Large strip tables feature a number of tourists who don't know what they are doing.

Quote: superrick

Does playing on the strip in Vegas have any disadvantages if you are a craps player?

If so what do you think they are? Also do you feel that you are putting yourself at a disadvantage by getting a comped room, by having to play longer at the tables so you can get that free room?

hi superrick,
As boyimbo has stated, the biggest disadvantage of playing on the strip is the number of inexperienced players.
The 3-4-5x odds are a rip, but I bet 90% of the players rarely take full odds anyway.
I doubt you will ever find a $5 game on the strip.

Now we get to the comps. Since I don't have any real experience with comps at non strip casinos in Vegas, I can't really compare strip vs non strip. But I can relate how it affects me.
Through my casino junket agent, I got comp'd 3 nights are Paris and 2 R/T tickets on Southwest. Last I checked, the tickets were about $249, so that is a real $498 comp value to me. No matter how bad the strip game is, I will come out ahead on that deal.

I really liked playing at Green Valley Ranch. I called them Friday to ask them what I could expect for comps, based on my expected level of play. As expected, they would commit to nothing. Finally, the host said I would probably get my room comp'd, if I played to the level I stated. So, for me to stay and play at GVR, I would have to pay $500 for a flight, and also hope that I have enough good luck at the table to be able to last long enough to get the room comp'd. Now, compare that to Paris, where I have no flight cost, and the room is comp'd up front. I have no risk.

Downtown odds vs strip odds.

This generally refers to the payouts on the one-roll prop bets as well as the Field 12.

If you like to bet on the junk in the middle then this matters.

Otherwise, the biggest difference is the likelihood of finding cheap games.

Note that if you're looking for really cheap games, you should try Jokers Wild. They have $1 minimum and still have 25 cent chips on the table! Unfortunately they only have one table so you might not get in.

A good analysis, but I have never encountered any Junket Firm that dealt with just one narrow slice of the market.

Usually a Junket Firm will have a primary casino but it will also have a variety of casinos it can make deals with.

Local casinos won't commit to deals particularly Airfare up front but they often keep you comped once you've triggered the appropriate triggers in their computer programs.

As with any "comp" its always up to the player to "Know His Theo" and to act accordingly.

That should always be the first step. Analyze your own play and calculate your "Theo". After that you can more knowingly see how you will be viewed off-strip.

Quote: boymimbo

Large strip casinos usually don't pay 3x on the 12 for field bets (though there are a few that do).

I don't think that's true. I think that most pay 3x.

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Large strip casinos usually take the vig when placing a "buy" bet at the time a bet is made, whereas off-strip they only pay on a win, lowering the advantage on the "Buy" bets substantially.

Standard on the strip seems to be that 4 and 10 are on wins if the bet is $25 or more; everything else is up-front. So, basically, there is no good way to bet the 5 or 9, or the 4 or 10 for less than $25

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At large strip properties, it will be difficult to find $5 / $10 tables at peak times.

Surprisingly, I don't find this to be the case. $5 is rare but $10 seems to be commonplace at places like MGM Grand, even during peak times. I've even played $10 craps on weekend nights at the Aria, which is a place with higher limits.

Quote: RaleighCraps

Through my casino junket agent, I got comp'd 3 nights are Paris and 2 R/T tickets on Southwest. Last I checked, the tickets were about $249, so that is a real $498 comp value to me. No matter how bad the strip game is, I will come out ahead on that deal.
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Any front money or credit line required with those advance comps? Thanks.

I'm not going to nit pick, but a few corrections:

You can get $5 on the strip at the right HOURS and locations. Last night at the busiest time of the year for a weeknight, I played $10 tables at The Cosmopolitan and the Bellagio. But not every table was full and they have plenty of tables! I have played a $5 table at the Cosmopolitan! You just head in there around 8am on a weekday when there's nobody else there. They will probably go to $10 as soon as there are two more people.

The double on the 12 ripoff is:

All Harrah's/Caesar's owned properties except Caesars PLUS the following:
Cosmopolitan (since Feb 2012)
LVH (since Apr 2012)
Casino Royale

I agree nobody on this forum should give a rats ass whether the prop bets are 30 to 1 or 31 to 1. This is the Wizard of Odds. Even the Wizard took down his info on which casinos offer only double the field when I gave him updates for who changed in 2012 because .. most likely .. the edge is too high for him to consider it a real bet even when paying triple.

The only casino I know that was vig up front on a $25 buy on the 4 or 10 was Riviera when they offered 1000x odds. I don't know if they went to the Vegas standard of $25 buy is commission on the win. But that is the crack in the door to get a low edge double-paying bet without betting the passline when someone else is playing. A bold-play 4 or 10 can be a beautiful thing for a lucky gambler with a big honker buy bet.

The advantage to playing on the strip, in my opinion, more than anything else is that strip properties are more FUN! If you go to Joker's Wild or anywhere that has a $3 table or less in Las Vegas, you have penny-pinching players who make stupid low dollar bets like crap-checks and worse. The strip properties generally take pass line with odds, a few 6/8's and buys on the 4/10 and fewer 5 and 9 place bets. The big money maker on strip properties is people who don't know the game who play the field. The Cosmo is directly marketing the "Play the Field at the Cosmopolitan" and people do it even with double on the 12 because they are young and mostly there to look at girls, not do math.

The locals joints make more money per dollar bet on the felt than the strip does. The dice move slower, but the average edge per bet placed is MUCH higher.

The stupid bets you see on the strip are things like $15 odds on a 5 or a 9 or someone placing the 5 or the 9.

The stupid bets you see at locals joints are people who hop 7 or 8 different numbers!!!

Quote: RaleighCraps

Since I don't have any real experience with comps at non strip casinos in Vegas, I can't really compare strip vs non strip. But I can relate how it affects me.

Strip casinos tend to be "formula oriented" in terms of how they comp. Local casinos still have that "give & take" that used to exist during the 80's. Example 1: "I can comp you that meal for 5, if you promise to come back later." Later, I come back and wave at the pit boss, making sure she sees me. Example 2: I play BJ, but ask the guy running the baccarat pit for my comps because I know that I can get a higher $ limit on my meals from another Asian than a Gweilo. On the other hand, at downtown Boyd casinos, I ask the Gweilo for comps because they think that Asians are somewhat "magical."

Quote: Ahigh

at the right HOURS and locations.

There are always exceptions and always a variety of possibilities that may not even appear or may disappear at the whim of a floor person or "Pencil".

I took the thread as involving established broad aspects rather than one involving narrow time segments or narrow geographical selections.

After all, if one has treked to The Strip, its sort of a given that he has to take what he finds since he won't be treking back to somewhere else and certainly won't be dragging wifey and the kids with him.

Yes, ten dollar and perhaps five dollar games are available on the strip, but don't hold your breathe or blink your eyes. The Cosmopolitan? Lovely place, lovely ladies, lovely strutters abound, more botox beauties than anything else and pity the poor Vegas Visitor who happens to be on the shady side of thirty years old and has the door slammed in their face when they try to enter Cosmo, much less try to enter the casino and actually gamble rather than strut with the all the beautiful people.

Its possible to have a five dollar craps game at the Bellagio but once word goes out, it will no longer be that low.

On a routine predictable basis, there are certain aspects to The Strip that pertain:

Dealers are more knowledegable and experienced on The Strip. The dice move faster on the strip. The dealers make more money on the strip. There is a general "upscale" atmosphere to The Strip. Downtown has a definite lower "cachet" to it. Perhaps deservedly so. Perhaps not. Locals casinos are even lower in the prestige factors but may offer some benefits. Shot taking is more common at Locals casinos and Downtown, but is not unknown on The Strip. Loud Drunks are less tolerated on The Strip.

The comps and room rates vary but in general there are certain trends. Getting a meal comp at Jokers Wild may be easier than at The Venetian but the meals are vastly different also.

$5 craps at MGM Grand is common. Just show up in the morning or very early afternoon (even on a weekend). I think NYNY is the same.

Basically, if you want to play $5 craps during "peak" hours, you will be SOL at most major strip properties. But, off-peak, it's not uncommon at all.

Quote: NokTang

Any front money or credit line required with those advance comps? Thanks.

No. And the ironic thing is, my play is not really that high. Somehow the junket operator manages to get the deal, perhaps because there are 170 other gamblers along with me. As a single gambler, I am not much. But put me on a plane with 170 other gamblers from the same area, and I may be in the top 50 in play.
I also have a history of playing obscene amounts of time.

I have come to understand that what I have here I think is fairly unique. If I lived any place else, I don't think I would be getting this level of perks

Quote: Ahigh

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The locals joints make more money per dollar bet on the felt than the strip does. The dice move slower, but the average edge per bet placed is MUCH higher.

The stupid bets you see on the strip are things like $15 odds on a 5 or a 9 or someone placing the 5 or the 9.

The stupid bets you see at locals joints are people who hop 7 or 8 different numbers!!!

I have observed this as well. The strip tends to have novices trying to act like they have played the game for years, impressing their friends by saying "damn it, I just crapped out". They also show off by telling their friends that they have a point of 6, which is in their favor, so they add another $10 to their passline bet to take advantage (of course, they have no odds bet out). But there is not much in the way of hop bets. There can be quite a bit of horn play at times.

Why do you think that local play is like that?
I've always assumed it was a case of just a small amount of bankroll, and hopping is the best way to play for the few dollars they have available. Max excitement and if they hit a few numbers they have a shot at a take home win.
But that is counter-intuitive. You would think the locals would know how unlikely it is to win hopping numbers, and would know to play the 6 / 8 or the DP.

This is interesting. Can you explain why not to place the 5 and 9 on the strip? I typically do 52/54 across and max odds on the pass. If I'm going to put $75 out every time we start a new role am I better buying the 4 & 10 and doing pass and just skipping the middle or still best to put $12 on 6/8?

-SQ

Quote: RaleighCraps

I've always assumed it was a case of just a small amount of bankroll, and hopping is the best way to play for the few dollars they have available. Max excitement and if they hit a few numbers they have a shot at a take home win.
But that is counter-intuitive. You would think the locals would know how unlikely it is to win hopping numbers, and would know to play the 6 / 8 or the DP.

People more interested in big wins generally care less about the math.

Quote: SantaQ

This is interesting. Can you explain why not to place the 5 and 9 on the strip? I typically do 52/54 across and max odds on the pass. If I'm going to put $75 out every time we start a new role am I better buying the 4 & 10 and doing pass and just skipping the middle or still best to put $12 on 6/8?

-SQ

The best way to play craps is to bet on the numbers that are about to be rolled, and then take your bets off just before the 7 gets rolled.

I know, not a very useful answer..... or is it?

In MY OPINION, as long as you keep your bets to those that are not in the center of the table, you have a chance at playing for a while. Many here will strongly disagree with that statement. The important thing is to have enough of a buy in that you withstand a run of negative results and not get tapped out right away.
Many sessions where I have booked a small win or a small loss I was down 900 or more, and came back from my last couple of bets. If I had not had those extra bets, I would have booked a big loss. Of course, on occasion I have lost the bigger buy in too, which meant a large loss.

Placing the 5/9 is no different on the strip, than anywhere else. It is a 4 % HE bet. Again, many people feel that is too high of a house edge to be a good bet, but if you are on a table where someone is rolling 5s and 9s, it is a winning bet. ymmv

Placing the 5 or the 9 and making a $5 odds bet on the 5 or the 9 is the exact same mistake by the math. You get shorted $0.50 or 4% of your pay.

On a per roll basis, it's 1.11% per roll. So it's only half as bad as the field when it pays triple, but it's more than twice as expensive as the line or placing the 6 or the 8.

Quote: Ahigh

Placing the 5 or the 9 and making a $5 odds bet on the 5 or the 9 is the exact same mistake by the math.

So does this suggest that you think rather than placing the 5 for $5 it's better to buy the 5 for $5 if paying vig only on the win? How's the math work out on that on the strip? Please remember that not all of us do our playing with green/black chips.

Quote: Doc

So does this suggest that you think rather than placing the 5 for $5 it's better to buy the 5 for $5 if paying vig only on the win? How's the math work out on that on the strip? Please remember that not all of us do our playing with green/black chips.

Nothing annoys a Las Vegas box more than talking about buying the 5. The only buys with commission on the win (the one that almost makes sense) on the 5 that I know of are at NYNY. It is very rare.

A lot of places allow you to buy the 5 with the Vig up front. But guess what? That $30 buy costs $31 and pays $50 and down ($20 plus the original $30) instead of $52.50. So 2.50/52.50 is still 4.76% and that's as good as it gets without rounding down. So it's a lot of stroking for nothing. Just having them put the lammer out there for a higher edge, and even then only when you have the bet amount right not to be victim of rounding is not a good idea.

I don't know a single player who has demonstrated to me a good enough reason to fiddle around with the 5 or the 9 here in Vegas where they don't do commission on the win. Generally speaking, anyone who talks about betting 5's or 9's get classified as a non-Vegas player (or not paying attention much to edges) in my mind. If you get commission on the win, generally we're not talking about Las Vegas. That's my experience.

While discussing why or why not to bet some spots-- is there ANY situation where it makes sense to bet Big 6/8? The only two cases I can come up with are if you're betting less than 6$ (and don't want to throw the chip at the dealer) or if you want more action than placing/buying/come them allows you (in which case you could probably convince them to open a higher limit table just for you).

Quote: Venthus

While discussing why or why not to bet some spots-- is there ANY situation where it makes sense to bet Big 6/8? The only two cases I can come up with are if you're betting less than 6$ (and don't want to throw the chip at the dealer) or if you want more action than placing/buying/come them allows you (in which case you could probably convince them to open a higher limit table just for you).

The best reason I could think of would be to make a point to a dealer b betting six dollars on the big six as a dealer bet after they don't help someone else make a good bet, or if you just wanted to smokescreen yourself as a newb for some reason.

Player control and parley until it loses is for icing on the cake.

Quote: Ahigh

The best reason I could think of would be to make a point to a dealer b betting six dollars on the big six as a dealer bet after they don't help someone else make a good bet, or if you just wanted to smokescreen yourself as a newb for some reason.

When we were at Lucky Club as you remember I moved a player's $20 Big Six bet to the Place 6, since he would have gotten paid $23 instead of $20. I was disappointed the dealers didn't care enough to do that.

Quote: teddys

When we were at Lucky Club as you remember I moved a player's $20 Big Six bet to the Place 6, since he would have gotten paid $23 instead of $20. I was disappointed the dealers didn't care enough to do that.

Good that players help other players.
Many casinos do not let their Dice Dealers get away with betting the players money or upgrading bets.
Dealers Casino Handbooks normally spelled out what they could say.
If it was not written, you could not say it or the penalty was maybe graveyard or just extra board, not much there to pay the bills.

I dealt and taught Dice in Reno in the 1990s.

We could remind players all day long that they forgot to do something, or a bet lost, they did not have a certain bet or they could take more odds.
Never that a $100 Big6 would make more money placing it. Never. And I paid many of those bets.
I even remember seeing rules that when a place bet of $20 was made on a 4/10, do not say give me a $1 to Buy it, it is a better bet.
What suit would go with it???

In those days there were many $2 tables, I can still find those at Primm Casinos in Nevada, but you need $3 to place, so many just play their $2 on the Bigs.
Hey, when I dealt Dice we still had 25cent games.
Yep, those were the good days

Do not always hammer the dealers, they have to follow house procedures and rules or they will get written up.
Ask Dealer Dan about getting written up.
Ain't worth it

Quote: 7craps

We could remind players all day long that they forgot to do something, or a bet lost, they did not have a certain bet or they could take more odds.
Never that a $100 Big6 would make more money placing it. Never. And I paid many of those bets.
I even remember seeing rules that when a place bet of $20 was made on a 4/10, do not say give me a $1 to Buy it, it is a better bet.

Huh. Pretty much every place I've been to will tell people that it's better to put 6$ on 6/8 and to put even odds on 5/9. Though, come to think of it, people always raise the bet to meet the value, never reduce, which may be the reason...

In your experience, what's the policy if players specifically ask what they 'should' be doing in a given case?

Quote: Ahigh

Placing the 5 or the 9 and making a $5 odds bet on the 5 or the 9 is the exact same mistake by the math.
You get shorted $0.50 or 4% of your pay.

On a per roll basis, it's 1.11% per roll.
So it's only half as bad as the field when it pays triple,
but it's more than twice as expensive as the line or placing the 6 or the 8.

Time to correct the incorrect statement in bold above.

Some push lowest edge per roll for all bet comparisons.
Too bad it does not work all the time.

Not by EV $s
The 3X Field "kicks ass" over any place bet 5 or 9 the more bets that are resolved. Win or Lose.

The Place 5 or 9 is worse in EV than the 3X Field bet.

One is an apple and the other is an orange.
You can choose.
Only way to compare them is by total action.
Not lowest edge per roll.

parameters:
100 $30 resolved bets
total action: $3,000

House Edge per bet resolved:
EV: -$ ($3000 (action) * HE)

Bets:
pass: -7/495
-$42.42

Place 6 or 8: -1/66
-$45.35

field 3X: -1/36
-$83.33

Place 5 or 9: -1/25
-$120.00

One should easily be able to calculate the EV for just 1 bet
or 10 bets or even 10,000 bets looking at the EV values above.

So the Place 5 or 9 is about 44% MORE BAD (EV wise, where it counts)
than the 3X Field bet.

Good Luck
is needed when comparing apples to oranges

On the Strip, not many casinos with the 3X Field pay, but there are a few.

Quote: Venthus

Huh. Pretty much every place I've been to will tell people that it's better to put 6$ on 6/8 and to put even odds on 5/9. Though, come to think of it, people always raise the bet to meet the value, never reduce, which may be the reason...

In your experience, what's the policy if players specifically ask what they 'should' be doing in a given case?

Good Q.
Many casinos I have worked in have specific rules against what you can tell a player to do at Craps with unsolicited advice.

But when the player does ask, the Dealer has a great chance to offer excellent correct advice.
maybe things have changed a lot since I dealt, a dealer still has to be careful of what he tells a player to do.
It can come back on them.

I have offered advice on taking the proper odds and that is a good thing for the dealers to do.
That way the player will not suffer breakage on incorrect unit bets.

But, there are players that place every number for $25 and want it that way.
try telling them $30 on the 6&8 is a better bet.
Not worth the effort unless they ask.

Vegas used to have some pretty weird rules. Dealers often had to be specifically asked and then could only reply as to what was house policy. For instance, dealers used to be required to respond to a "do you prefer toke bets or a direct hand in" with what the house required them to say, not their own opinions.

Caesar's Palace long long ago had a rule forbidding dealers at an empty table from speaking to passersby.

In the "Us versus Them" joints dealers were often not permitted to give any advice but only to answer specific questions on specific bets.

All of us should know that the dealers are between a rock and a hard place, when it come to offering advice to players when they are working, depending on the casinos they work in.

A good book to read would be; Dummy Up And Deal By H. Lee Barnes copyright 2002

http://www.amazon.com/Dummy-Up-And-Deal-Gambling/dp/0874176220

Or you could read Craps Dealer Instruction Manual By Wanda Russell   Copyright, 1993

https://www.google.com/search?q=l...-US:official&client=firefox-a

If I'm putting my money at risk, I want to know everything I can about the casinos and what I'm dealing with on the other side of the table.
I see a lot of abuse of dealers from players that think it's funny to hassle them. If you are going to put your money down on any table game you should learn about the game before you play it. If you are so dumb that you think it's fun to lose your money please just donate it to some charity instead of the casinos you play in.

With the exception of the dealers that hang out here, and a few of the dealers at the tables I play at, I would not ask a dealer for advice on very many games. The chance of getting a correct answer is too slim.
I was playing at a table the other day, and the dealer asks me if I am ready to make some money. I said sure. He says grab a white chip and throw it on the table. so I did, and he says, "Big Red". I said, "I thought you said I would make money. How is making one of the worst bets on the table going to help me make money?"
I then went on to say, "I've never made a worse bet in my life. Thank goodness I will just call that a dealer bet, so I can keep my record clean."

He then says, "You'll never make any money on those Place and Buy bets. You need to bet the horn, and the hardways to get paid real money." I said, "Sure, I will get paid good money when they hit, but in between hits, I will be losing my ass. Tell me how betting all the bets that are 9%, 11%, and 16% HE are going to lead me to a win."

Then go play Pai Gow poker, and the dealer points out every hand where I would have been paid on the fortune bonus, if I had been playing it. I usually respond a few hands later by pointing out how I would be down $25 now, if I was playing the fortune bet.

RaleighCraps

I know a few extraordinary dealers, but the one that will always stand out in my mind, is the one that told a new player that it was a bad bet to bet the pass-line unless he had the dice in his hands.
That he should just place bet the number he wanted to bet on!
The dealer went on to explain, that if he was betting on the pass-line he might not get to bet on the number he wanted to, and that his pass-line bet only paid even money.
When I heard what he told this new player, I had to ask what he said, because I didn't believe that I would ever hear that coming from a dealers mouth. All he said to me was come on rick you know that it's a bad bet I never see you betting it!

This was in a small casino, where they need every toke then can get to survive. They want the players to win, now I don't think that he would have made that statement if a suit was standing in back of him!

Quote: Ahigh

That $30 buy costs $31 and pays $50 and down ($20 plus the original $30)

No, that $31 buy pays $45 (winnings) + $30 (original wager). So $75 down.

Quote: FleaStiff

For instance, dealers used to be required to respond to a "do you prefer toke bets or a direct hand in" with what the house required them to say, not their own opinions.

What did/does the house typically require be answered ?

It seems to me the few times I've asked they responded "up to you"?

When betting the don't pass, I hand in a tip after winning. When playing the pass, I bet all the hardways for the dealers plus a hand in and walk away. Sometimes I'll come back and ask if they hit any of the hardways but not as a routine.

Tipping when you have lost is a more difficult question to answer. Do you normally tip when you have lost?

Most games I have a tip as you go policy. Its not much ussully (depends on my edge)

$1 to $5 here and there(thatball depends on if I like them) if at the end I do well I give extra, if I lost then I might give any extra singles or a red to make evrything even and thats it.

Quote: superrick

RaleighCraps

I know a few extraordinary dealers, but the one that will always stand out in my mind, is the one that told a new player that it was a bad bet to bet the pass-line unless he had the dice in his hands.
That he should just place bet the number he wanted to bet on!
The dealer went on to explain, that if he was betting on the pass-line he might not get to bet on the number he wanted to, and that his pass-line bet only paid even money.
When I heard what he told this new player, I had to ask what he said, because I didn't believe that I would ever hear that coming from a dealers mouth. All he said to me was come on rick you know that it's a bad bet I never see you betting it!

This was in a small casino, where they need every toke then can get to survive. They want the players to win, now I don't think that he would have made that statement if a suit was standing in back of him!

How is that good advice? The pass line is one of the best bets in the casino. I rarely ever see people bet big on the pass line, yet I see people put down black chips in the field. Last night I saw a guy get massacred. He had a trey of purple and he would constantly put it in the field. I would much rather put a purple on the passline than the field.

I've been at $25 tables where they rolling tons of naturals on every come out roll and made hundreds just from the come out roll.

Also what bets have a better house edge than the passline? The don't and 6 and 8 barely have a better house edge.

Quote: guitarmandp

How is that good advice? The pass line is one of the best bets in the casino. I rarely ever see people bet big on the pass line, yet I see people put down black chips in the field.

Simple: action! The field gives you action on every roll.

Quote: Frogger

Simple: action! The field gives you action on every roll.

So does a come bet

Quote: Frogger

Simple: action! The field gives you action on every roll.

ya if I didn't know craps I'd be on the field all day. One roll win or lose, not ties or leaving bets up. I will always snap my fingers after rolling and do a jig if I win.

No it doesn't

I had an $60 passline bet once and I was telling somebody that was betting the field how bad of a bet the field was and the said "Your telling somebody the field is a bet bad and you've got $80 on the passline! bwahahahaha"

I got into a big argument with the dealer over what the house edge is on the passline. He said it's 5%, I said it's a little less than one and a half percent. We argued and he says "I do this for a living, don't argue with me".

I like to put $10 or $15 on the passline and parlay the bet several times. I've been on a $25 table and turned $25 into $400 off of one come out roll by stacking my passline bet.

Crapless pass line is equal to field bet (2X12) at 5.6% or so