Planning on doing 100x odds at Casino Royale in 2013

$5min/100x odds, playing Dark
Double my bankroll or bust

so for 4/10, i bet $1000 to win $500
5/9, bet $750 to win $500
6/8, bet $600 to win $500

$5000 bankroll

And if i double, head over the Rivera for the 1000x odds.
One time $5/1000x 'Dont pass' just to say i did it

4/10: Bet $10,000 <Might chicken out...>

riviera no longer has 1000x odds.

Iirc, Rivera got rid of their 1000x odds a few months ago. That is probably best for most players' sanity. :)

Quote: rudeboyoi

riviera no longer has 1000x odds.

What?! WHY???

Quote: 100xOdds

What?! WHY???

A nearly bankrupt casino doesn't need to take on that kind of variance? lol

The last time I played at Casino Royale it was the summer of 2011. The craps table is not in really good shape. In fact it rocked when I leaned into it, the table was not level and there were bumps on the table under the torn felt. The dealers reminded me of Foster Brooks. You need to make sure you dont wear good shoes as you never know what you are standing in and if you drop something, for goodness sakes dont ever touch the floor.

Other that that the Royale craps tables are ok.

Of course, I would not want to risk 100x odds ( $500 ) on a table at the Royale.

Just my opinion,


EagleDice

20x is enough for most people, and 10x is much easier to find.

I recommend Sam's Town for 20x as you won't be as annoyed as you might be at Main Street Station. I think the East Side Cannery is 10x now, but if they are still 20x, they have a great table and plenty of purple and yellow chips on the table. If you do a big bankroll at Main Street Station, you're going to be annoyed unless it's graveyard.

At East Side Cannery, even if it's 10x, that's one of the best places to be treated well while winning a lot of money. Sam's Town also has some unpleasant characters sometimes.

Just my perspective on where to get the best 20x experience. The Craps Survey says East Side Cannery is 20x, but I was remembering 10x. So I'm not sure but I'm probably just remembering wrong.

I am thinking along the same lines, but from the other side. :-)

Find a table where the 4 or 10 is rolling, and make the following Buy bet sequence.
Buy the 4 or 10 for $500
press to $1000 (down $25 vig)
press to $2000 (up $925)
press to $4000 (up $2825)
take the $7,800 (up $10,625)
take the $7800 (up $18,425)
take down the $4000 (up $22,425)

1 hit on the bet gets me back to almost even. 2 hits puts me positive
5 hits on the 4 or 10 before the shooter 7 outs makes my day !

I shot craps at CR a couple years ago; a gentleman in a bespoke suit next to me was betting PL and 100X odds.

No big runs one way or the other; played a half hour then left, about even.

Why would you be annoyed at Main Street Station?

Quote: 100xOdds

$5min/100x odds, playing Dark

...

$5000 bankroll

Extremely insufficient bankroll there guy, if you want my opinion, maybe you don't. Running Wincraps sessions, there is as close to "nobody" as you would ever want to get that doesnt dip deep into the red way beyond $5k playing this way [at some point]. This includes those who eventually wind up on top sitting pretty.

Quote:

Double my bankroll or bust

OK, for this particular goal, don't know what to think. Expect to get to one goal or the other pretty fast.

Just my personal experience, but every time I have more than a thousand dollars on the rail there and am rolling well, everybody and their dog wants to get in on the action and it just annoys the hell out of me. I seem to be able to get a table with zero, one, or two other people more frequently at Sam's Town or East Side Cannery.

The kind of annoying I'm talking about at Main Street Station:

(1) Young drunk twenty something males that barely understand the game and do way too much screaming and asking questions explaining the game to their buddies etc
(2) 60 to 80 year old male and female Asians who take ten second to move a single chip from the rail to the bet (they are nice, just HURRY UP .. OK?)
(3) Toothless wonders who just got $10 from handouts on the Fremont Experience who want to hop bets but nobody can understand what they're saying

You just don't get as many of these types on Boulder Highway. Aside from the #2, you find #1 and #3 all over downtown. But there are more bigger-bank asian players at Main Street Station than anywhere else. And many of them aren't really true craps players as much as they are just looking for low edge high dollar bets. If you're into the game, even the big bets can be annoying too!

Also, this is just from the perspective of someone who is trying to stay focused while playing. If you seriously don't give a hoot about the other players at the table and what they're doing to affect your thought process and focus and the math is the only thing that matters, all of these comments don't mean anything.

Sorry, 100x, I think I was feeling churlish when I pounced on this idea.

Stay tuned, I am checking out what is happening to various players and their bankrolls with Wincraps, concentrating at the moment with $10 and 10x.

I checked out "your guy" one time so far, with your parameters. Almost doubled his bankroll at $9945 but went bust after 528 rolls.

Quote: Ahigh

Toothless wonders who just got $10 from handouts on the Fremont Experience who want to hop bets but nobody can understand what they're saying.

So pay my dental bills and I'll try not to hold up the game any more.

When the stick man wants you to throw a hard eight, he shows you a picture of the square pair when he slides the dice out.

So in that fashion, let me show you what it looks like when you play 20x - 100x (or what it _should_ look like):



Even if you lose, walking away from that table and having a hot girl next to you, everyone knows you're a winner.

It helps if you let her take charge of the table yelling a few derogatory terms at you, to which you laugh. "Just throw the the fucking dice" from her usually does the trick.

Quote: Ahigh

A new angle indeed on reasons to short-stick methinks.

My advise? Buy the $1.00 Mic Beers and the slice of Noble Romans Pizza, avoid the bathrooms and move on from Casino Royale.

Quote: odiousgambit

Sorry, 100x, I think I was feeling churlish when I pounced on this idea.

Stay tuned, I am checking out what is happening to various players and their bankrolls with Wincraps, concentrating at the moment with $10 and 10x.

I checked out "your guy" one time so far, with your parameters. Almost doubled his bankroll at $9945 but went bust after 528 rolls.

doubling $5000 at $10min, 10x is very different than doubling $5000 at $5min, 100x.
$100 risked vs $500 risked.

exposing myself to HE ALOT more with 10min, 10x odds

Quote: 100xOdds

$5min/100x odds, playing Dark
Double my bankroll or bust

so for 4/10, i bet $1000 to win $500
5/9, bet $750 to win $500
6/8, bet $600 to win $500

$5000 bankroll

And if i double, head over the Rivera for the 1000x odds.
One time $5/1000x 'Dont pass' just to say i did it

4/10: Bet $10,000 <Might chicken out...>

I admire your chutzpah 100x. Go Big, then go home.



Good variance!

Quote: 100xOdds

doubling $5000 at $10min, 10x is very different than doubling $5000 at $5min, 100x.
$100 risked vs $500 risked.

exposing myself to HE ALOT more with 10min, 10x odds

Bold play on one end of the spectrum and 10,000 super low-edge events on the other end, the closer you are to bold play the less the edge matters.

Also, at 10,000 events, you're also looking at randomness bringing you nearly to exactly the house edge with no opportunity to win.

You should pick a sweet spot if you want to win. The more events, the more likely you will lose for any negative expectation game.

I think the main reason to play 10x, 20x, or 100x is just to show how big your balls are! You're not THAT much more likely to win betting it all on the don't pass with max odds than just betting it all on red on the roulette wheel if you just do one event.

Quote: Ahigh

(1) Young drunk twenty something males that barely understand the game and do way too much screaming and asking questions explaining the game to their buddies etc
.

I guess you were the first person ever to be an expert at craps first time out and you understod the game without ever having the game explained to you.

You sound like a stupid fucking idiot.

Yes the drunk loud and ignorant are annoying, but if you dont know the game and someone explains it too you great, it keep the game alive.

Im sorry you are so above everyone with your great craps play.

Nice knowing you JW17 Don't hurry back !

Quote: JW17

I guess you were the first person ever to be an expert at craps first time out and you understod the game without ever having the game explained to you.

You sound like a stupid fucking idiot.

Yes the drunk loud and ignorant are annoying, but if you dont know the game and someone explains it too you great, it keep the game alive.

Im sorry you are so above everyone with your great craps play.

I'm going to issue a three-day personal insult suspension for this.

Quote: 100xOdds

doubling $5000 at $10min, 10x is very different than doubling $5000 at $5min, 100x.
$100 risked vs $500 risked.

exposing myself to HE ALOT more with 10min, 10x odds

I've done a few of 'em with a $5000 bankroll, $5 table, 100x always taken, right bettor.

If the player doubled to $10k, his file starts with a W. If he does not make it, his file starts with an L.

BL means 'big loser' and that player started losing and just kept losing till roll was gone.

BW means 'big winner' and that player, should he have kept playing, won much more than $10k at one point [of course, if so, he broke his deal about quitting at $10k] Flat betting too.

all players eventually went broke although it was way down the road for some. The last indication on each file is the number of rolls that player lasted till he was broke. One guy saw more than 750,000 rolls. One guy blew out at 113 rolls. Again, the winners were supposed to stop, and never see the further rolls.

So far.

Quote: odiousgambit

... One guy saw more than 750,000 rolls.

I'd like to know what this guy's peak win was.

Quote: JW17

I guess you were the first person ever to be an expert at craps first time out and you understod the game without ever having the game explained to you.

You sound like a stupid fucking idiot.

Yes the drunk loud and ignorant are annoying, but if you dont know the game and someone explains it too you great, it keep the game alive.

Im sorry you are so above everyone with your great craps play.

I think you got the wrong idea. There's a context to my comments. I normally love the excitement and even these types of things providing I have less than $100 on the table.

Just understand the context of what kind of environment you want for a 10x to 100x table taking max odds.

The context is absolutely relevant to my comments. I think you took my comments more broadly.

Quote: Ayecarumba

I'd like to know what this guy's peak win was.

I was curious too.

$274,830, flat-betting too. Takes him 360,500 rolls to do it. If he played 8 hours a day, that would be 450 days or 15 months to do it at 100 rolls per hour.

937 days to lose it all at that same rate, about 31 months.

In reality would he go a decade? in reality no one would flat bet? what then? who wouldnt start doing come bets? what then?

btw he hits his $10k goal in about 250 rolls. I believe anyone with Wincraps can duplicate the player with RNG #1, seeded with 98093683

Oh god, don't go to Casino Royale to shoot crap.

Take a flight to Cleveland, Louisville, Tunica, Omaha, Shreveport or Chicago and go to one of the Horseshoe properties. Some of them even have $5 minimums. They all have 100x odds. Way better experience.

Ahigh, Eastside Cannery had the best game in Vegas when they had 100x odds. Now it's 10x. Sam's Town is probably the best game now, followed by Main Street Station. My buddy won $20k at Main Street, but it was on graveyard. Dropped $3k for the crew.

Let's shoot crap sometime. I gotta bet on some of your rolls.

That sounds like fun. I sent you a PM.

Quote: 100xOdds

doubling $5000 at $10min, 10x is very different than doubling $5000 at $5min, 100x.
$100 risked vs $500 risked.

exposing myself to HE ALOT more with 10min, 10x odds

No, it is not very different.
You are not really correct in your thinking.
For any one time session to double or bust trying, the edge is very small for 10X and 100X. Variance is the largest factor.

results from 100,000 simulated sessions
Double starting bankroll or bust trying (high thrill factor = SD/EV)

Just looking at DPass bet only (no DComes) one can see it takes more games played with $10/10X bets
But do you really know the difference between 48.1% and 46.9%
They are too close to take to the bank for just a few sessions

Dpass ONLY $5 / 100X Lay odds
Avg. No. games played . = 1368.50
Avg. No. games won . . = 674.60
Avg. No. games lost . . = 693.90
Avg. No. games tied . . = 39.11
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 4751.48
Avg. Total amount bet . = 1368.50
Avg. amount bet on Odds = 9949.44
Bankroll was busted . . = 51.896% of the time ( 51896)
Win goal was met . . . = 48.104% of the time ( 48104)

Dpass ONLY $10 / 10X Lay odds
Avg. No. games played . = 2107.91
Avg. No. games won . . = 1039.13
Avg. No. games lost . . = 1068.78
Avg. No. games tied . . = 60.21
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 7318.79
Avg. Total amount bet . = 2107.91
Avg. amount bet on Odds = 21424.24
Bankroll was busted . . = 53.142% of the time ( 53142)
Win goal was met . . . = 46.858% of the time ( 46858)



OP see if you can see the difference below in Dpass/Dcome every roll other than the number of rolls it takes to double the bankroll

Dpass and Dcome $5 / 100X Lay odds
Win goal was met . . . = 47.31%
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 81.01
Dpass and Dcome $10 / 10X Lay odds
Win goal was met . . . = 47.06%
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 1099.69


of course, most believe what they want to believe
Good Luck !

Quote: Ahigh

I think you got the wrong idea. There's a context to my comments. I normally love the excitement and even these types of things providing I have less than $100 on the table.

Just understand the context of what kind of environment you want for a 10x to 100x table taking max odds.

The context is absolutely relevant to my comments. I think you took my comments more broadly.

You are right I may have missed what you were saying. First off let me appologise for my words and language. I will say that it touched a nerve with me, but I responded the wrong way.

My issue is this, I learned to play craps while drinking and saw I guy at the craps table that I was playing blackjack with and asked him to teach me. I am saying when people are new and excited, yes at times overly, that keep the game alive.

I believe there is a stigma to the game of craps, it has its own language, it move fast, it has crazy superstions, therefore it is intimidating to come up and play. When we act like these newbees dont belong we are killing the game. Its like horse racing, old timers who dont care about the new player, and it killing horse racing too.

Look again I know what you are saying, if you are putting down 100x odds, you dont want the yahoo's around, I get it, but I heard that you dont want them around period and I feel that is a mistake.

Lastly AHIGH, I appologise for what may have been seen as a personal attack, it was not.

I was going to say, I was in Shreveport this week, and I played at Horseshoe and El Dorado. They both offered 100X odds, and they're a lot nicer than Casino Royale in Vegas.

Quote:

7Craps wrote :
OP see if you can see the difference below in Dpass/Dcome every roll other than the number of rolls it takes to double the bankroll

Dpass and Dcome $5 / 100X Lay odds
Win goal was met . . . = 47.31%
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 81.01

Dpass and Dcome $10 / 10X Lay odds
Win goal was met . . . = 47.06%
Avg. No. dice rolls . . = 1099.69

wow at LOW # of rolls needed at continuous DP/DC at 100x odds for doubling bankroll.
I'm assuming that's also the avg # of rolls to go bust as well?

I thought minimizing the # of rolls I'm exposing myself to the House Edge (ie: Bold play- Single large Dont Pass) was best?

But DP/continuous DC at 10x and 100x odds have basically same win goal success % even though at 10x, i'm exposing myself to the House Edge for over 1000 rolls more?!
Why is this?

Quote: JW17

You are right I may have missed what you were saying. First off let me appologise for my words and language. I will say that it touched a nerve with me, but I responded the wrong way.

My issue is this, I learned to play craps while drinking and saw I guy at the craps table that I was playing blackjack with and asked him to teach me. I am saying when people are new and excited, yes at times overly, that keep the game alive.

I believe there is a stigma to the game of craps, it has its own language, it move fast, it has crazy superstions, therefore it is intimidating to come up and play. When we act like these newbees dont belong we are killing the game. Its like horse racing, old timers who dont care about the new player, and it killing horse racing too.

Look again I know what you are saying, if you are putting down 100x odds, you dont want the yahoo's around, I get it, but I heard that you dont want them around period and I feel that is a mistake.

Lastly AHIGH, I appologise for what may have been seen as a personal attack, it was not.

No problem here! My #1 thing when I go to play is usually to have fun. But yeah, if you want to bet big, Main Street Station can be a bad place to do it during a full table if you are a player who really wants to get the dice in your hands in a position that you like to throw from and all that jazz. The math is good 100% of the time, but I have yet to have a super fun time there myself. Maybe if I stick with it, I can bring down enough money to make it more entertaining for myself even just betting for randomness with big bets. But it has yet to happen!

They have one table that is what I refer to as a 5-diamond table. If you play at that table from a preferred spot and you don't get a bunch of other people bothering you (something I have done for a total of about ten minutes) it's pretty awesome.

Quote: Ahigh

They have one table that is what I refer to as a 5-diamond table. If you play at that table from a preferred spot and you don't get a bunch of other people bothering you (something I have done for a total of about ten minutes) it's pretty awesome.

I assume you are referring to the "higher" limit table on the end. When it opens it is usually $15 - $25 minimum (vs. $5 on the other other two). I'm pretty sure it is the higher minimum that sorts the crowd out.

I enjoy MSS very much. It is well lit, there aren't that many smokers, no blaring music, and the crowd is generally well informed and friendly. However, the best thing is the 20x odds. I don't know how/why the California, which is connected to MSS via a pedestrian bridge, only offers double odds. If they stepped it up, they could ressurect a Downtown joint's reputation as "Center of the Craps Universe". Especially since the title has been vacant ever since the demise of the original Horseshoe.

Yeah, California Club is my most hated place to play craps.

Counting the diamonds on the back wall, there are generally 5-high and 7-high. I think Rio has one table that's 6-high.

I refer to these as "5-diamond" generally made by Paulson. The "7-diamond" are Bud Jones (such as Fiesta Henderson) or cheap aftermarket made-in China variety.

I prefer Paulson aka "5-diamond" back walls because the other stuff just isn't as good in my mind. I feel the same way about the chips as I feel about the back wall. If it's not Paulson, I don't want to play. Just that simple. I cut Fiesta Henderson a break as Bud Jones being visible on the back wall is good enough for me. But I am just a little arrogant when it comes to name brands on my craps merchandise is all.

I was just as discriminating when I bought my chips and my table, and I hold the casinos to the same level of knowledge in purchasing the best equipment as anybody else in the market for craps merchandise.

Don't waste money on crappy craps crap!!! Paulson or at least a name brand bought out by GPIC and something that ties back to Las Vegas.

What's next, using Chinese dice with big ace sides? I know Harley Horn would like that, but not me!!!

I DON'T THINK SO!!!! Know the game guys!

Alright I'm done.

I just wanted to mention that I played craps with Ahigh this weekend in Las Vegas.

He is a very enthusiastic craps player, maybe the most I've ever seen. I'm not convinced (yet) of his dice setting skills, but he's certainly a fun guy to play with. Knows more about the game than most of the dealers, boxmen and casino managers :)

Had a marathon session where we visited seven casinos. I learned more about diamond rubbers than I ever cared to. Played craps with Joe Thiesman at Red Rock. Got backed off of the table at Binion's. Went tete a tete with a guy betting $300 + $2500 on the line at El Cortez. Won a bit at Fiesta Henderson (but didn't see Dan). Earned a $50 food comp at Silverton (woot!)

By the way, the losing streak still continues ... :(

Quote: teddys

Got backed off of the table at Binion's.

What? Why? I want to hear more about this...

Here I will tell you how it went down.

Boxman decided he didn't want us at the table. Why? Who knows why. Maybe Teddy bought in for too much money. The throws were NOTHING that ANYBODY should be complaining about. Period. You could argue about it, and we did. But the fact was that the box had no reason to say anything at all.

Boxman went after Teddy first saying "all the way down shooter."

Teddy had an obviously random toss. I think he was puzzled.

First shot after comment to go all the way down was a seven out. Teddy commented along the lines appropriate for such a result from a criticism on the shot.

It's my turn.

I get the "all the way down" comment. I think one die hit the back wall, the other die bounced straight up in the air about 9 inches and came straight back down (IE: had back spin that cause it not to land dead but to bounce straight up).

"All the way down shooter" he says.

So I stop and say, "hey no worries. We're not trying to take advantage of you, we're just trying to have a good time."

To which he says, "I'm just doing my job."

And I say, "Hey, I understand. I don't want to get you into any trouble or anything, I'm just say...."

And he cuts me off and says, "I'm the floor manager."

So that changed things for me a bit, and I start to take offense. Changing the conversation abruptly (in response to his cutting *me* off) .. I say

"So is this casino for sale for $29 million dollars?"

To which he replies, "oh it might be, they sold it last time for an amount close to that."

And I say, "yeah I thought maybe your pit crew might want to know about that," to which they all looked at each other.

That was the last thing that he said, then he got up out of his chair and started pacing around.

I ended up winning $50 in about 10 minutes from $100 starting. Teddy had already walked off since he wasn't having fun with the drama, telling me he was going to go get a snack and to meet him at the snack bar.

I kept rolling, and my perfectly random looking rolls that hit the back wall, then the stick chick (asian don't know name) says "all the way down shooter."

BOTH DICE hit the back wall and the boxman wasn't watching but he comes back from his pacing.

And I say, "what do you mean all the way down? They both hit the back wall!"

So the box man sits back down and I make a comeout roll setting the point with a 4-2.

The box man says "take the dice away" and looks down the table and there are no other players.

I start laughing and I say "really? who's go..." I was trying to continue with what I was going to say that there's nobody else at the table to shoot for my passline, but he looks at me with the evil eye, as he gets up and walks away again!

I made an odds bet and rolled my point, and then he sat back down and I asked for color.

At no point did ever say anything in a mean way, but I let him know that he wasn't going to have an easy time with me and that I knew some things about what was going on at Binion's.

Anyone who might be thinking of buying Binions would know that one of the great liabilities of the casino staff. They would and/or likely will all be fired immediately upon a sale of the casino. Some of the girls are cute, but gone are the days of the original Binions where they would take any bet and had a great staff that is passionate and interested to provide an entertaining experience for its customers!

And the floor manager for the craps tables is apparently a big part of the problem. I absolutely know people with enough money to buy that casino, which is why I know that it is for sale and for how much. And the truth is that the rude casino staff is exactly why the potential buyers that I know were not told by me that the casino was up for sale. I already know they wouldn't be interested as soon as I was told which casino it was that was for sale by the seller's agent.

If the floor manager had any clue who I was (and I SERIOUSLY doubt that), I would give him credit. But if he did, he could have been more polite about it, and he would probably also know that I generally don't take down big money from anybody and I'm doing just fine anyway.

Today, after winning $100 at Silverton, Ron, a dealer, told me "you know why they never give you a problem is because you never take more than $30." I said "hey look I won $100!" To which he said "even the sun shines on a dog's ass every now and then."

That is the kind of treatment that I seek out. You can poke and jab at me all you want as long as we both know each other and understand that I'm not there to rape you. I'm there to enjoy the game and help everyone else enjoy the game.

If and when I ever decide to take down some serious money, it won't be because I need the money. It will probably be to make a point to somebody that I can do it. Right now, I can't think of anybody I would rather make the point to than the floor manager of Binion's casino. I'm absolutely certain they'd turn me away before I hit $29 million though, as I'm pretty sure they don't have that much to give me.

I guess it simply was "dice setters not welcome" if they didnt recognize you.

Yeah, I don't think they recognized me.

Quote: Ahigh

Here I will tell you how it went down.

Boxman decided he didn't want us at the table. Why? Who knows why. Maybe Teddy bought in for too much money. The throws were NOTHING that ANYBODY should be complaining about. Period. You could argue about it, and we did. But the fact was that the box had no reason to say anything at all.

Boxman went after Teddy first saying "all the way down shooter."

Teddy had an obviously random toss. I think he was puzzled.

First shot after comment to go all the way down was a seven out. Teddy commented along the lines appropriate for such a result from a criticism on the shot.

It's my turn.

I get the "all the way down" comment. I think one die hit the back wall, the other die bounced straight up in the air about 9 inches and came straight back down (IE: had back spin that cause it not to land dead but to bounce straight up).

"All the way down shooter" he says.

So I stop and say, "hey no worries. We're not trying to take advantage of you, we're just trying to have a good time."

To which he says, "I'm just doing my job."

And I say, "Hey, I understand. I don't want to get you into any trouble or anything, I'm just say...."

And he cuts me off and says, "I'm the floor manager."

So that changed things for me a bit, and I start to take offense. Changing the conversation abruptly (in response to his cutting *me* off) .. I say

"So is this casino for sale for $29 million dollars?"

To which he replies, "oh it might be, they sold it last time for an amount close to that."

And I say, "yeah I thought maybe your pit crew might want to know about that," to which they all looked at each other.

That was the last thing that he said, then he got up out of his chair and started pacing around.

I ended up winning $50 in about 10 minutes from $100 starting. Teddy had already walked off since he wasn't having fun with the drama, telling me he was going to go get a snack and to meet him at the snack bar.

I kept rolling, and my perfectly random looking rolls that hit the back wall, then the stick chick (asian don't know name) says "all the way down shooter."

BOTH DICE hit the back wall and the boxman wasn't watching but he comes back from his pacing.

And I say, "what do you mean all the way down? They both hit the back wall!"

So the box man sits back down and I make a comeout roll setting the point with a 4-2.

The box man says "take the dice away" and looks down the table and there are no other players.

I start laughing and I say "really? who's go..." I was trying to continue with what I was going to say that there's nobody else at the table to shoot for my passline, but he looks at me with the evil eye, as he gets up and walks away again!

I made an odds bet and rolled my point, and then he sat back down and I asked for color.

At no point did ever say anything in a mean way, but I let him know that he wasn't going to have an easy time with me and that I knew some things about what was going on at Binion's.

Anyone who might be thinking of buying Binions would know that one of the great liabilities of the casino staff. They would and/or likely will all be fired immediately upon a sale of the casino. Some of the girls are cute, but gone are the days of the original Binions where they would take any bet and had a great staff that is passionate and interested to provide an entertaining experience for its customers!

And the floor manager for the craps tables is apparently a big part of the problem. I absolutely know people with enough money to buy that casino, which is why I know that it is for sale and for how much. And the truth is that the rude casino staff is exactly why the potential buyers that I know were not told by me that the casino was up for sale. I already know they wouldn't be interested as soon as I was told which casino it was that was for sale by the seller's agent.

If the floor manager had any clue who I was (and I SERIOUSLY doubt that), I would give him credit. But if he did, he could have been more polite about it, and he would probably also know that I generally don't take down big money from anybody and I'm doing just fine anyway.

Today, after winning $100 at Silverton, Ron, a dealer, told me "you know why they never give you a problem is because you never take more than $30." I said "hey look I won $100!" To which he said "even the sun shines on a dog's ass every now and then."

That is the kind of treatment that I seek out. You can poke and jab at me all you want as long as we both know each other and understand that I'm not there to rape you. I'm there to enjoy the game and help everyone else enjoy the game.

If and when I ever decide to take down some serious money, it won't be because I need the money. It will probably be to make a point to somebody that I can do it. Right now, I can't think of anybody I would rather make the point to than the floor manager of Binion's casino. I'm absolutely certain they'd turn me away before I hit $29 million though, as I'm pretty sure they don't have that much to give me.

Hard to believe that they could be sweating the money. I don't care how broke a casino is, they are not going bust from someone who bought in for $100.

Sounds like you guys had a good time though.

Pure comedy. Even the least fun part wasn't that bad. I passed the dice after some guy bet $3000 odds on the 6-point I established. The shooter I passed the dice to sevened out.

That guy pissed me off, and that's how I responded instead of saying anything.

It cost me my money too, but I didn't have much riding on that outcome and I was absolutely not in the mood to win his bet for him.