Blackjack as Part Time Job?
The recent trip report by Aces really got me thinking that with a little work, I can make this happen!
I am curious that bars would use gambling proceeds to fund charaities.
Some may have a problem taking money from a charity but since most people lose at blackjack the charities should be just fine.
Quote: 1BBThese are very good games. Am I right that there's no heat and deep penetration? Learn Hi-Lo, spread 1-25, play 2 spots when called for and you should have a very nice part time job.
Some may have a problem taking money from a charity but since most people lose at blackjack the charities should be just fine.
I've played a couple times in ND, where I assume the OP is from. There's usually only one or two gaming employees working per bar (depending on if the pull-tab counter is manned). There's absolutely no heat at all, but the penetration wasn't that great when I played. I pondered things while I was stuck in Bismarck playing last year, and decided that I could handle taking money from some charities. I'd count a table from the Bismarck Visitors and Convention Bureau (really the "charity" at the table I played), but probably not from the We Love Sick Children Bleeding Heart Fund (made up, but you get the point).
I dunno, just seems like a waste of time to me. But if you've got nothing better to do and your prospects for a second part-time job are slim, go for it. At least it would be a good venue to learn the mathematical part of counting. Not really a great place to learn the over-all ins and outs of counting, if there really is no or very little heat. In the long run, avoiding heat and prolonging your play time is more important than the mechanical aspects of counting cards.
Quote: PhattyDTable limits: $1-$25,
All proceeds go to charity so even if you lose, it goes to people who need it!
Can the Wizard's Ace 5 count beat this game, or should I really learn to count (hi-lo maybe) and earn som MAD money?
I don't think there is enough spread to make the 5 count beat the game for more than a few dollars. You would have to learn hi-lo.
I would have at least 5 places to go, so that it is not obvious what you are doing. You should not win more than $100 at any one place in a week.
I am surprised that the rules would be favorable for charity. Most charity games have unusually horrible rules with a huge house edge.
Please report back if you are able to equal your "take home pay" of your regular job at your gambling. We would be interested.
Quote: PhattyDI went and played a little last night. Turned $40 into $60, not much but learned that they are hiring dealers (everywhere is hiring here). I'm sure I'd make more on THAT side of the table! I'd have to learn another game called the "Pig Wheel". I've never played it before. Looks like a bad version of roulette. Has anyone seen this game? If not, I'll get some pictures and payouts to see if this carnival game is any good.
well i will wait for you next reply and hope you come back with some pictures.. i actually want to see because i never heard about pig wheel..
Is this what Blackjack AP has come to?
Plannng an attack on a Dollar-to-Quarter game - that was meant for Charity?
Wow...
If you know this much about Blackjack, have you considered becoming the dealer?
You'd clear $85 a day from a honest day's work, without stealing from any Charity's effort.
At the very least, it would force you to take a harder look at this real situation.
It's like sticking up a 7-11 in some ways. That simple. Gotta Love It.
Most charities are over-staffed tax dodges that do for little to alleviate the suffering of the poor.Quote: LonesomeGambler, and you wouldn't even have to take money from charities!
I would look on this as a geographically convenient opportunity for you to try card counting as a possible second career even though you would probably have to continue it in Las Vegas.
Quote: FleaStiffMost charities are over-staffed tax dodges that do for little to alleviate the suffering of the poor.
As opposed to what, your own "fair game" charity once the cold hard cash is in hand?
What particular charity are YOU going to spend the card-counting profits on - in lieu of their charity efforts? Your charity efforts are better?? Let's hear...
Habitat for the Homeless?
www.safenest.org in Las Vegas?
Or Catholic Charities, like FrGamble recommends, if he were still present?
So is sticking up most Speedy Marts or 7-11's a charity, if you wish to view it as such, considering where the gotten cash is to go....
Quote: FleaStiffI would look on this as a geographically convenient opportunity for you to try card counting as a possible second career even though you would probably have to continue it in Las Vegas.
So would I: I dare to see what you can do in Vegas once you can become decent at it.
Try counting at the Venetian, in fact. That would be a wild turn of events.
The director of Surveillance will then call their new Director of Table Game Mathematics, to see what can be done about Blackjack game protection, as an anti-casino operator act comitted that was promoted on his own forum:
[Venetian Surveillance: Ring, Ring...]"Hey Mike, we got one of your forum boys here counting down BJ#37 at 4:37PM in pit #2; Frank Rajek was the pit boss who notified surveillance for tracking; count was +9, he went from green to black with a 6x spread, took insurance - all the hallmarks. Surviellance System Software verified his attempt, and we're writing up a Surveillance Network report on him for report distribution. He previously posted about running down a small town Blackjack charity effort in his own state, as posted on your own forum - now how do you want to handle this forum kid of yours hitting the tables you now oversee....??"
Wow....
Mike, you can no longer be on the fence.
Well, maybe as a exceedingly fine-tuned balancing act...
when you kill off the grey areas, it help maker it a clearer boolean...
Here is some info on the pig wheel game. As for stealing from charities, I don't play to lose but am happy that it goes to something useful if I do. And maybe "organization" is a better word. Boys hockey, park district, and other non-orphanage groups benefit from the proceeds. Will still try the hi lo and let you know how it goes. Hopefully not too expensive to learn!
Quote: IbeatyouracesThis statement could be slanderours. Counting cards is NOT stealing from ANYONE. And I laugh at only $85 a day.
Card counting couldn't be more shamless when you account from where the costs come, - or are from or are paid from:
1. ALL PLAYERS - as a casino OR gambling hall cannot charge "discreet theft of services" - except to someone - which is ALL players. It is kind of like countefeiting movie tickets or transit passes that drive up the prices for ALL participants. NO way around this.
2. AND those someones are the honest players footing the bill on the greedies' and skimmers' behalf; the casono isn't footing it. We just jack up the house edge and costs to account for your theft of services. The real deal here. The result is lousy games with huges house edges, that the good-faith players will indeed cover - on behalf of the charity or service skimmers - who think in some assinine fantasy that they are Robbing Hood. You are not Robbing the casinos - we'll just have to charge all of your sorry asses even more money to play, - and we will.
You're just robbing the fellow good faith player that you openly call stupid, - and you will be stopped.
Quote: WizardLet's just say that if I ran a casino I would not want good card counters playing blackjack there, and I would politely make them stop
Sounds like you now work for Stations also.
Take the money from them if they count badly - let them hang themselves and take their cash - if they can't rip off the casino operators correctly - but nail them to the boards - if they do it well.
Isn't this kind of like pawning for cash, an expensive power tool that a jewel thief left behind on a failed bank job?
"Oh look - a Black and Decker XP 7500 drill left behind from the attempted robbery on my company's safe! Let's pawn it for some cash!
F8ck the eveidence, - or its source in a crime. It's cash money!
Certainly, this is not how we think in the gaming industry...is it?
Dirty Sh*tty money is simply that!
You Don't want ANY of it in the clean casino business, now, Mike.
Dirty Money is simply that.
Ian Anderson was backed off when he lost, because he was caught. Even when he had lost. He wrote about it.
Play like that, and take the knowingly questionable money...if it is one way that is....
That was integrity. or wasn't.
issues here...
It is very hard to expel the clear and dead-to-rights cheats - when you ALSO have to expel them with the money your business could have had in its coffers.
THAT is the ethical action - and NOT question....
Good faith follow works...
Dirty money one way...
Dirty money every way...
I could probably count out loud and not be told to leave. It's a bar first, gaming second. I'm approaching this like a hobby to see if I have the mental fortitude. I can count down a deck pretty quick and getting good at online trainers, but I'm sure to go down in a blaze at a real table. Maybe Tues or Wed night this week. Stay posted.
What a nice rule. You definitely should play this as a part time job.
BTW, where is this game? It's too good, no CSM?
What a nice rule. You definitely should play this as a part time job.
BTW, where is this game? It's too good, no CSM?
Side note and part of the thread topic: for year ending 2013, I am up $2600 thanks to this and WOO site! Maybe not a ton, but not too bad either!
Thanks for sharing and we hope you continue to visit and contribute. Its real nice to have someone who pays YOUR insurance premium. Please mention me to your friend when my car insurance is next due.Quote: PhattyDSo, it's been a while since I've posted anything (still visit daily) but had to share. I am up $2600 thanks to this and WOO site! Maybe not a ton, but not too bad either!
ALL of Vegas know its a sucker bet to take insurance, even though they really have no idea why.
Did you make any suggestions to him? I prefer it when fellow players don't tell me what to do but its often nice to discuss a successful deviation from Basic Strategy.
Quote: PhattyDHe was pretty friendly and after several lost insurance bets I told him I don't think that's a good bet. He would also take even money everytime as well. When he started putting insurance bets for me, the dealer and I just looked at each other smiled, and shrugged our shoulders.
You say he made the insurance bet for you but I'm assuming that he got the money when the dealer had a blackjack. I've been known to insure other players' hands and usually get the same reaction that you and the dealer had. I wouldn't want it any other way.
Quote: PhattyDMy real job has me working 4 days on, 4 days off. I feel worthless on my 4 days off and want to get a part time job. Could Blackjack be the answer? All the bars in town offer the best blackjack you can find. Table limits: $1-$25, 4 decks, BJ pays 3:2, Double any two cards, DAS, Re-split aces up to 4 hands, dealer stands on soft 17. All proceeds go to charity so even if you lose, it goes to people who need it! Can the Wizard's Ace 5 count beat this game, or should I really learn to count (hi-lo maybe) and earn som MAD money?
The recent trip report by Aces really got me thinking that with a little work, I can make this happen!
I've never heard of a charity blackjack game that doesn't lose on a push.
Quote: PhattyDSo, it's been a while since I've posted anything (still visit daily) but had to share. Last night playing at my usual haunt, I saw the craziest thing. It will NOT be topped. Understand that no one was intoxicated at the table. It was just me and another guy at the table and he would take insurane everytime. He was playing about $10 a hand, two spots. So this cost him quite a bit over the night. Bad, but not crazy. We are into the third shoe and now he starts to insure MY bets?! He even started tipping in my area and was almost obsessed with filling the tip jar they have. (3"-4" cubed container)
Side note and part of the thread topic: for year ending 2013, I am up $2600 thanks to this and WOO site! Maybe not a ton, but not too bad either!
I was just reading over this thread, and I have a few comments/questions...
1. What count did you end up using?
2. What is the penetration? This is far more important than good rules.
3. They will let you buy insurance on other peoples' bets? This can be a goldmine if there are other players betting big. Proper insurance is the most valuable of the strategy deviations; if you can do this for MORE than half your bet it is (obviously) worth a lot more. It might cause heat where there was none before, though.
4. How much are you spreading?
5. Is your $2600 profit from only this blackjack game, or something else as well? Either way, congrats!
Quote: PaigowdanCard counting couldn't be more shamless when you account from where the costs come, - or are from or are paid from:
1. ALL PLAYERS - as a casino OR gambling hall cannot charge "discreet theft of services" - except to someone - which is ALL players. It is kind of like countefeiting movie tickets or transit passes that drive up the prices for ALL participants. NO way around this.
2. AND those someones are the honest players footing the bill on the greedies' and skimmers' behalf; the casono isn't footing it. We just jack up the house edge and costs to account for your theft of services. The real deal here. The result is lousy games with huges house edges, that the good-faith players will indeed cover - on behalf of the charity or service skimmers - who think in some assinine fantasy that they are Robbing Hood. You are not Robbing the casinos - we'll just have to charge all of your sorry asses even more money to play, - and we will.
You're just robbing the fellow good faith player that you openly call stupid, - and you will be stopped.
Sounds like you now work for Stations also.
Take the money from them if they count badly - let them hang themselves and take their cash - if they can't rip off the casino operators correctly - but nail them to the boards - if they do it well.
Isn't this kind of like pawning for cash, an expensive power tool that a jewel thief left behind on a failed bank job?
"Oh look - a Black and Decker XP 7500 drill left behind from the attempted robbery on my company's safe! Let's pawn it for some cash!
F8ck the eveidence, - or its source in a crime. It's cash money!
Certainly, this is not how we think in the gaming industry...is it?
Dirty Sh*tty money is simply that!
You Don't want ANY of it in the clean casino business, now, Mike.
Dirty Money is simply that.
Ian Anderson was backed off when he lost, because he was caught. Even when he had lost. He wrote about it.
Play like that, and take the knowingly questionable money...if it is one way that is....
That was integrity. or wasn't.
issues here...
It is very hard to expel the clear and dead-to-rights cheats - when you ALSO have to expel them with the money your business could have had in its coffers.
THAT is the ethical action - and NOT question....
Good faith follow works...
Dirty money one way...
Dirty money every way...
Seriously? Getting lucky and winning drives up the prices for everyone else the same way. Maybe everyone should just lose on purpose, because this would surely make for 'lower prices', right? The casinos give the worst returns as possible, period. Geography, population, climate, and competition force casinos to offer better conditions to attract customers. A densely populated area with zero counters and zero casinos anywhere near it will have terrible 'prices', and an area with a sparse population will have good 'prices'. The threat of counting alone causes casinos to FORFEIT profits by decreasing deck penetration in games with extremely 'low prices', certainly not pass 'theft' off to the customer. You are so off base here it is borderline ridiculous.
Quote: PhattyDMy real job has me working 4 days on, 4 days off. I feel worthless on my 4 days off and want to get a part time job. Could Blackjack be the answer? All the bars in town offer the best blackjack you can find. Table limits: $1-$25, 4 decks, BJ pays 3:2, Double any two cards, DAS, Re-split aces up to 4 hands, dealer stands on soft 17. All proceeds go to charity so even if you lose, it goes to people who need it! Can the Wizard's Ace 5 count beat this game, or should I really learn to count (hi-lo maybe) and earn som MAD money?
The recent trip report by Aces really got me thinking that with a little work, I can make this happen!
Never mind. I didn't realize this was a year and a half old. I responded back then.
Phatty probably has a phatty wallet by now. :-)
Quote: BizzyBSeriously? Getting lucky and winning drives up the prices for everyone else the same way. Maybe everyone should just lose on purpose, because this would surely make for 'lower prices', right? The casinos give the worst returns as possible, period. Geography, population, climate, and competition force casinos to offer better conditions to attract customers. A densely populated area with zero counters and zero casinos anywhere near it will have terrible 'prices', and an area with a sparse population will have good 'prices'. The threat of counting alone causes casinos to FORFEIT profits by decreasing deck penetration in games with extremely 'low prices', certainly not pass 'theft' off to the customer. You are so off base here it is borderline ridiculous.
Please don't quote 1-and-a-half-year-old PGD posts about card counting. No need to bring this garbage back to life.
You act like beating a casino is comparable stealing from a local mom and pop shop. Seriously most people don't care if beating the casino games raise the cost for people spending to much time the casinos. If not for card counters and AP's, far less suckers would be going to casinos with dreams they may also be able to beat a casino.Quote: PaigowdanCard counting couldn't be more shamless when you account from where the costs come, - or are from or are paid from:
1. ALL PLAYERS - as a casino OR gambling hall cannot charge "discreet theft of services" - except to someone - which is ALL players. It is kind of like countefeiting movie tickets or transit passes that drive up the prices for ALL participants. NO way around this.
2. AND those someones are the honest players footing the bill on the greedies' and skimmers' behalf; the casono isn't footing it. We just jack up the house edge and costs to account for your theft of services. The real deal here. The result is lousy games with huges house edges, that the good-faith players will indeed cover - on behalf of the charity or service skimmers - who think in some assinine fantasy that they are Robbing Hood. You are not Robbing the casinos - we'll just have to charge all of your sorry asses even more money to play, - and we will.
You're just robbing the fellow good faith player that you openly call stupid, - and you will be stopped.
Quote: BuzzardI have found that wearing garlic around my neck is a deterrent to Dan Lubin.
Not to mention everyone else...
Quote: AxelWolfYou act like beating a casino is comparable stealing from a local mom and pop shop. Seriously most people don't care if beating the casino games raise the cost for people spending to much time the casinos. If not for card counters and AP's, far less suckers would be going to casinos with dreams they may also be able to beat a casino.
His thinking is that of your typical ploppy or casino floorperson. Now THAT"S a personal insult.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI was just reading over this thread, and I have a few comments/questions...
1. What count did you end up using?
2. What is the penetration? This is far more important than good rules.
3. They will let you buy insurance on other peoples' bets? This can be a goldmine if there are other players betting big. Proper insurance is the most valuable of the strategy deviations; if you can do this for MORE than half your bet it is (obviously) worth a lot more. It might cause heat where there was none before, though.
4. How much are you spreading?
5. Is your $2600 profit from only this blackjack game, or something else as well? Either way, congrats!
1. When I play with a full table (3 or more players) I use the Ace/5 count. I can usually drink for free and leave with more money than I started with. If there are 2 or fewer players I do the Hi-Lo. Too many cards and too fast for me with more players. I also don't know the basic strategy deviations. I only change my bet size according to the count. Again nothing specific, just more when it's +2TC and a dollar on any negative count.
2. There's one cute dealer that will cut to 3/4 of a deck (4 deck shoe) if I ask for better penetration. Always a fun conversation!
3. Little advanced for me right now.
4. $1-$25 Average bet seems to be around $10.
5. Blackjack and the occasional home poker game.
Quote: PhattyD1. When I play with a full table (3 or more players) I use the Ace/5 count. I can usually drink for free and leave with more money than I started with. If there are 2 or fewer players I do the Hi-Lo. Too many cards and too fast for me with more players. I also don't know the basic strategy deviations. I only change my bet size according to the count. Again nothing specific, just more when it's +2TC and a dollar on any negative count.
2. There's one cute dealer that will cut to 3/4 of a deck (4 deck shoe) if I ask for better penetration. Always a fun conversation!
3. Little advanced for me right now.
4. $1-$25 Average bet seems to be around $10.
5. Blackjack and the occasional home poker game.
Ace/Five count, max bet of $25, no strategy deviations? Any winnings are due to luck. If table minimum is $1, does that require an ante? If not, you could exploit the game with a more serious approach without betting very much.
Quote: AxiomOfChoicePlease don't quote 1-and-a-half-year-old PGD posts about card counting. No need to bring this garbage back to life.
my bad. i didn't notice there was a giant gap in the middle of the thread. why didn't they just make a new thread?
