How do you play A,A according to BJ if you cannot split??
no strategy tables I have seen show how to play soft 12 (i.e. unsplit A,A) under basic strategy?
How would you play A,A against all dealer upcards if you cannot split them (e.g. in the odd case that you can only resplit to 4 hands and have reached your maximum according to house rules)
Much appreciated, need it for some theoretical simulations and although extremely rare, not sure how to handle it!
any ideas?
thanks guys!
On the other hand, if you have, say, a soft 13 thru 16, the stratey is sometimes to hit, other times to double if you can, otherwise hit.
Therefore, I think it's safe to assume that any reasonable person who has two small cards and hits to get a soft 12, will play it like a soft 13 and hit again.
Quote: sysopaz...if you cannot split them (e.g. in the odd case that you can only resplit to 4 hands and have reached your maximum according to house rules)...
In regular blackjack when you have split your aces, your choices become very limited. If you get another ace, your only choices are to resplit or to not resplit. You cannot hit, double, and you don't have to signal stand. And when you replit aces to four hands, you have no decision to make at all.
1) You can split and resplit all pairs (including Aces) but ONLY to 4 hands in total (could be any given number).
2) you are playing multi deck game.
For example, the game I play in is 6-8 decks and can re-split to a total of 4 hands.
In which case, what happens when you get A,A, and split, then get As to both hands, then you split both hands again and get two more As on each of the new hands. Now you are not allowed any more splits, so how you play and of these hands that then received another Ace? It is effectively a soft 12...
As I say this is a real case scenario, although so infrequent to make a difference in practice, but tryign to work it out for my simulations for completeness (at least I know what the house edge is then!)
I think the others are all clear cut as you say..
Quote: ChesterDogIn regular blackjack when you have split your aces, your choices become very limited. If you get another ace, your only choices are to resplit or to not resplit. You cannot hit, double, and you don't have to signal stand. And when you replit aces to four hands, you have no decision to make at all.
Based on his replies, this casino must have the "hit split Aces" rule, which is very rare indeed (I've never seen it or even heard of it, other than hypothetically). Is that true, sysopaz?
Quote: sysopazObviously assuming you can double after split....
In S17 blackjack, hit your fourth AA against all dealer up cards, but in H17, you should double that fourth AA vs the dealer's 6 only.
Quote: weaselmanNope. Hit it.
Expounding...
According to the Wizard's BJ appendix 1: Standing returns -0.1537, hitting returns +0.1860, and doubling returns +0.1797. So hitting is the proper strategy.
The game where you can hit split aces is online which is why it might be so unusual...
Quote: sysopazHi guys,
no strategy tables I have seen show how to play soft 12 (i.e. unsplit A,A) under basic strategy?
How would you play A,A against all dealer upcards if you cannot split them (e.g. in the odd case that you can only resplit to 4 hands and have reached your maximum according to house rules)
Much appreciated, need it for some theoretical simulations and although extremely rare, not sure how to handle it!
any ideas?
thanks guys!
Are you serious, person? I have NEVER seen a basic strategy chart that didn't say SPLIT against anything! And, I do have the Wiz's strategy charts in color in my LV briefcase. Sounds like you have never seen a basic strategy chart.
Quote: dmAre you serious, person? I have NEVER seen a basic strategy chart that didn't say SPLIT against anything! And, I do have the Wiz's strategy charts in color in my LV briefcase. Sounds like you have never seen a basic strategy chart.
You have clearly misunderstood the question. The OP's question applies at a table that allows splitting to 4 hands AND allows you to hit split aces. So once you have 4 hands down there, and one of them is A-A (soft 12), there is no listing on basic strategy charts because the combination of rules that lead to this situation are so rare. Apparently they exist in his online casino.
Quote: AcesAndEightsThe OP's question applies at a table that allows splitting to 4 hands AND allows you to hit split aces.
Another possibility is no splitting aces at all. I guess, that might be even more realistic ...
Quote: weaselmanAnother possibility is no splitting aces at all. I guess, that might be even more realistic ...
Haha, truth. In fact, I believe this was one of the rule variations that the casinos tried to employ back in the 60s after Thorp first blew the lid off the whole thing. It didn't last long, of course...
Quote: AcesAndEightsYou have clearly misunderstood the question. The OP's question applies at a table that allows splitting to 4 hands AND allows you to hit split aces. So once you have 4 hands down there, and one of them is A-A (soft 12), there is no listing on basic strategy charts because the combination of rules that lead to this situation are so rare. Apparently they exist in his online casino.
You are right, I did, and if I had realized this had anything fucksoever to do with an online casino, I would have ignored this person, just as EVERYONE else on here should have. Anyone give a crap about discussions of online gambling? What a pathetic joke.
And yes my pursuit is somewhat academic and for interest rather than profit.
thanks to larwiz1 though for providing that- good to see some treatment!
And likewise to everyone else for your helpful comments and source article references!
