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sodawater
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May 13th, 2014 at 6:19:35 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Of course it would never happen, but if the question was how many cards COULD you have in one hand, the answer is 21, all aces. (That assumes no splits.)



No, I do not think you can hit 21.
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May 13th, 2014 at 10:26:04 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

No, I do not think you can hit 21.



I said you could have 21 cards, not HIT a 21.
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May 13th, 2014 at 10:47:29 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

I said you could have 21 cards, not HIT a 21.



To have 21 cards you have to hit a 21.
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May 13th, 2014 at 10:57:09 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

I said you could have 21 cards, not HIT a 21.


Eleven aces makes you a soft 21, which would be an automatic stay (unless you catch the dealer napping).

20 cards is doable if you hit soft 20 and draw a deuce, then continue on with aces.
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May 13th, 2014 at 11:06:00 PM permalink
I never heard of a rule saying you must stand on 21.
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May 13th, 2014 at 11:12:12 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

No, I do not think you can hit 21.



If I'm playing two hands and I make a soft 21 on the first hand and my second hand is a 12 and I'm positive the next card is a 10 value card, that's the only time I can see someone rationalizing hitting a soft 21. I'm not sure what the count would need to be to make that a good decision.
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May 13th, 2014 at 11:14:09 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

If I'm playing two hands and I make a soft 21 on the first hand and my second hand is a 12 and I'm positive the next card is a 10 value card, that's the only time I can see someone rationalizing hitting a soft 21. I'm not sure what the count would need to be to make that a good decision.



I guess you'd have to check each jurisdiction's statutes, but I do think it is against the rules of blackjack to hit a 21.

Why? Pretty much for the same reason you can't hit a 25. The hand is already played out once you get to 21.
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May 13th, 2014 at 11:20:07 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater



Why? Pretty much for the same reason you can't hit a 25.



Here's a question for those who play hand-dealt blackjack...

So if your first two cards are face down, and then you get a hit face up... what happens when you add up your hand incorrectly and request a hit after you've already busted? Does that card go to the next player after your hand is tabled?

For example, if you've got a 6 and a 7 face down and receive a 9 face up for a total of 22. But for some reason you add your hand up incorrectly and request another hit. What happens to that card?
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May 14th, 2014 at 12:28:50 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

I guess you'd have to check each jurisdiction's statutes, but I do think it is against the rules of blackjack to hit a 21.

Why? Pretty much for the same reason you can't hit a 25. The hand is already played out once you get to 21.



A lot of places let you double down on a blackjack...
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May 14th, 2014 at 12:36:53 AM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

A lot of places let you double down on a blackjack...



yeah but that's a totally different situation than an 11-card soft 21. You can't double it because it's more than 2 cards, and you can't hit it because you are already at 21.
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May 14th, 2014 at 12:45:34 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

yeah but that's a totally different situation than an 11-card soft 21. You can't double it because it's more than 2 cards, and you can't hit it because you are already at 21.



This is an interesting one. Let's take it out of the ridiculous 11 aces scenario and say you have a 4, Ace, 6 and attempt to hit. I am sure I have seen this scenario, or something similar, but it was about the player not realizing his soft 11 was also a 21. Once it was explained, they stand. I mean if they really want to continue to hit....is it against the rules??? I honestly don't know.
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May 14th, 2014 at 1:53:06 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

yeah but that's a totally different situation than an 11-card soft 21. You can't double it because it's more than 2 cards, and you can't hit it because you are already at 21.



Yes, you can hit it, even if it is a 21, because it is a soft 21. There is no rule requiring that you stand, anywhere.
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May 14th, 2014 at 2:48:05 AM permalink
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May 14th, 2014 at 5:54:40 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I never heard of a rule saying you must stand on 21.

I ain't neither.... but any good dealer is going to pause and let you know that you have 21 ... and when he does, you sure better tip him a buck right then and there in addition to any normal tipping you do.
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May 14th, 2014 at 6:04:04 AM permalink
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May 14th, 2014 at 6:11:45 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

...because it is a soft 21. There is no rule requiring that you stand, anywhere.



Here are New Jersey's blackjack rules. In section 19:47-2.12 is written, "1. A player having Blackjack or a hard or soft total of 21 may not draw additional cards..."

But I'm sure Nevada has no rule banning hitting soft 21.
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May 14th, 2014 at 8:02:12 AM permalink
I've hit soft-21 to make a 6-charlie automatic winner a few times.
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May 14th, 2014 at 10:51:38 AM permalink
Quote: ChesterDog

Here are New Jersey's blackjack rules. In section 19:47-2.12 is written, "1. A player having Blackjack or a hard or soft total of 21 may not draw additional cards..."

But I'm sure Nevada has no rule banning hitting soft 21.



This sounds like a great opportunity for an angle shooter. With a big bet out and a dealt BJ, double down. If you lose the hand protest and state that New Jersey law does not allow taking another card on a BJ. it sounds like a +EV situation to me.
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May 14th, 2014 at 11:11:40 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Quote: ChesterDog

Here are New Jersey's blackjack rules. In section 19:47-2.12 is written, "1. A player having Blackjack or a hard or soft total of 21 may not draw additional cards..."

But I'm sure Nevada has no rule banning hitting soft 21.



This sounds like a great opportunity for an angle shooter. With a big bet out and a dealt BJ, double down. If you lose the hand protest and state that New Jersey law does not allow taking another card on a BJ. it sounds like a +EV situation to me.



The problem is that it's kind of obvious you knew you couldn't do it before you did it. If you manage to convince them to let you have it then they'll just kick you out as a shot taker.
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May 14th, 2014 at 12:08:28 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Quote: ChesterDog

Here are New Jersey's blackjack rules. In section 19:47-2.12 is written, "1. A player having Blackjack or a hard or soft total of 21 may not draw additional cards..."

But I'm sure Nevada has no rule banning hitting soft 21.



This sounds like a great opportunity for an angle shooter. With a big bet out and a dealt BJ, double down. If you lose the hand protest and state that New Jersey law does not allow taking another card on a BJ. it sounds like a +EV situation to me.



I don't think they would let you double the BJ in NJ.
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May 14th, 2014 at 3:24:17 PM permalink
I THINK this was at the Silverton, but I may be mistaken-- playing pitch, this kid next to me ended up hitting to a hard-21, and, instead of sticking his cards under his chips or asking the dealer what he had, he just decided to hit again, to which I reacted, but not before the card came out.

They ruled the hit as valid, since he wasn't bust, and the card stood. (Which ended up costing me, since the I really could've used the card that tipped him over the edge.)
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May 14th, 2014 at 3:40:59 PM permalink
I can see allowing a double down on soft 21 since the player has something to gain. I can also see allowing a hit on 21 when the Charlie is on. With no Charlie though, there's no reason to allow hitting 21, and I think most casinos will not allow it in a shoe game.
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