tyler498
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July 6th, 2021 at 11:17:35 PM permalink
This forum is all about calculating odds so I'm curious:

Say I just won some money counting cards at a very small Indian reservation casino (only 1 6 deck table that was full, 1 Double deck)
And I won an amount that a big place wouldn't care about, but a place like this isn't used to. And say I had to be a bit obvious about it because it's double-deck (6 deck was full), but as soon as I had a great positive count shoe, I left.

By how much do you think that would increase the odds of getting trailed by a cop right after leaving the reservation land, and eventually pulled over a few miles later and cited over some infractions that could only be noticeable after he was trailing me?
One giveaway was the cop asked me if I had any drugs in the vehicle, which never happened before (my face doesn't scream drug dealer/user, but quite the opposite) it's as if he was told that I had a suspicious amount of cash?
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July 6th, 2021 at 11:47:02 PM permalink
Was it a tribal cop?
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tyler498
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July 7th, 2021 at 12:03:41 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Was it a tribal cop?



No, normal one. But that place was so small and just a mile off the highway, I'm pretty sure they didn't have tribal cops
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July 7th, 2021 at 5:57:06 AM permalink
When I was a minor I was driving on a toll highway at 55 mph in the left lane, the speed limit. Some car was flashing their headlights at me from behind but I couldn't move to the right lane because of traffic. A couple minutes later I got to the right lane. Then a couple minutes later a cop pulled me over for failing to get in the right lane (and out of the fast lane). He saw a bank bag on the floor, then said he smelled pot. He told me to open the bank bag thinking there was pot inside. Wut? There was just a receipt for a bank deposit I made earlier in the day. The cop let me go with a warning to stay out of the left lane if I'm not gonna speed.
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July 7th, 2021 at 12:52:47 PM permalink
Quote: tyler498

This forum is all about calculating odds so I'm curious:

Say I just won some money counting cards at a very small Indian reservation casino (only 1 6 deck table that was full, 1 Double deck)
And I won an amount that a big place wouldn't care about, but a place like this isn't used to. And say I had to be a bit obvious about it because it's double-deck (6 deck was full), but as soon as I had a great positive count shoe, I left.

By how much do you think that would increase the odds of getting trailed by a cop right after leaving the reservation land, and eventually pulled over a few miles later and cited over some infractions that could only be noticeable after he was trailing me?
One giveaway was the cop asked me if I had any drugs in the vehicle, which never happened before (my face doesn't scream drug dealer/user, but quite the opposite) it's as if he was told that I had a suspicious amount of cash?


To answer your question first 0%. Did this actually occur or are you just asking about a fictitious event? A cop would need "probable cause" to pull you over. So before going further, you need to answer those questions. If it was real, did you get a ticket and for what?

tuttigym
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July 7th, 2021 at 4:46:07 PM permalink
Quote: tuttigym

To answer your question first 0%. Did this actually occur or are you just asking about a fictitious event? A cop would need "probable cause" to pull you over. So before going further, you need to answer those questions. If it was real, did you get a ticket and for what?

tuttigym


I totally disagree with your response.
Yes technically the police need a probable cause to pull you over, but they can and do fabricate a probable cause.
This has happened in the past when players have left tribal casinos.
In small towns heck even in big towns the cops are often in bed with the casinos.
I have first hand knowledge where surveillance operators call local police and ask them to run the plates on a player’s vehicle.
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July 7th, 2021 at 5:00:19 PM permalink
It could have been worse. A famous player claims he returned to his car to find the space empty and freshly painted with blue strips. They towed his car for parking in a handicapped space and charged him crazy money for the tow and violation.

As our resident craps expert said, the police are our friends and if you hadn't done anything wrong, they wouldn't have stopped you.
Perhaps you should more time in church and less taking advantage of our Indian brothers and sisters.
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July 7th, 2021 at 5:17:11 PM permalink
I know I got pulled over by county police about a mile down the road from a tribal casino. (I'm fine. Thanks. I did have to pay a fine.)

I know that casino group keeps law enforcement close at hand. One employee was telling me that the sherriff would have someone there within 3 minutes of "the call", despite them being 15 minutes away from the nearest outpost by any normal kind of driving.

The sherriff's department apparently catches enough distracted/intoxicated drivers along that stretch of road that it's worth their time to have someone there if nothing else is going on, or a quota needs filling.

I can believe that your adrenaline may have been heightened from your prior success, your hands may not have been at 10 & 2, and you didn't realize if your right foot got heavier.

They likely would not have needed a "the call" from the casino to notice you, but I don't preclude it.

Police observing and patrolling just outside tribal land sounds pretty common. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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tyler498
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July 7th, 2021 at 6:05:28 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

I know I got pulled over by county police about a mile down the road from a tribal casino. (I'm fine. Thanks. I did have to pay a fine.)

I know that casino group keeps law enforcement close at hand. One employee was telling me that the sherriff would have someone there within 3 minutes of "the call", despite them being 15 minutes away from the nearest outpost by any normal kind of driving.

The sherriff's department apparently catches enough distracted/intoxicated drivers along that stretch of road that it's worth their time to have someone there if nothing else is going on, or a quota needs filling.

I can believe that your adrenaline may have been heightened from your prior success, your hands may not have been at 10 & 2, and you didn't realize if your right foot got heavier.

They likely would not have needed a "the call" from the casino to notice you, but I don't preclude it.

Police observing and patrolling just outside tribal land sounds pretty common. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.



Correct. To add a few more details:
Yes this did happen.
The reason i was pulled over was expired tags, which at night is hard to see. The cop wasn't just driving behind me, he was pulled over and started driving as soon as i passed him.
What surprised me is he asked about drugs, and also asked me to step out and take a picture of me with his phone...but I'm still not convinced it was related to the casino. I do kinda drive faster than average
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July 7th, 2021 at 6:38:57 PM permalink
Many police vehicles now have license plate readers that read every car they pass and expired plates set off an alert.
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July 7th, 2021 at 6:50:35 PM permalink
Every time I speed to the exit of the casino, like over 20 mph on a major uphill grade I'd want to speed up anyway, my radar detector gets hit with a laser beam. If a cop is sitting in the parking lot, they could just follow me to the road. If the casino is writing up speeding tickets by camera alone on a license plate, I must be tripping their wire.
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July 7th, 2021 at 7:48:21 PM permalink
Quote: tyler498


The reason i was pulled over was expired tags, which at night is hard to see.



It is not safe to assume that.
Just like many APs cannot learn to unsee opportunities in minor details, people who spend all day watching cars go by may easily notice relevant minutiae.

He also had a minute to call in (or type in) your tag while following you and observing your (possibly erratic) driving.

Probably a good time to get your tags renewed to current and check that all the lights work. If you don't want to get pulled over, don't look like an easy target.
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