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May 1st, 2020 at 6:26:18 PM permalink
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Not even worth replying an answer to.


ZCore



Here’s the thing with not wanting a definition of random. What I just said is valid. If you had a legal definition of random I couldn’t just ramble away nonsense.
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May 1st, 2020 at 9:12:03 PM permalink
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Here’s the thing with not wanting a definition of random. What I just said is valid. If you had a legal definition of random I couldn’t just ramble away nonsense.


I can imagine there would be some possibility if the system was corrupted. Imagine this disease, if you could take all the deaths and switch them to different people, it would seem the same, but we would know it was different yet still random.You can imagine the cards not even changing but arranged in a pattern to trigger choices from players, etc. Random is not always the same. This is all theoretical and conjecture, but ideas how a change in randomness can have a different result because people are predictable. If you just test the cards or whatever random factors, you won't see it because it won't be tested against human beings.

From stocks, I can imagine certain chart patterns might elicit a response from many people and if somehow high frequency traders could manipulate things some times, it could lead to selling or buying patterns. The chart might appear random, but maybe it's not. To say things are not possible is just an admission of no imagination or indoctrination. Don't seek the approval from the blind.
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May 2nd, 2020 at 3:29:16 AM permalink
I was playing my home game of blackjack the other night. Started with $20K or 25 bet units; lost 20 bet units and was down to $3K; then won nearly 50 bet units back and got to almost $150K; then lost back to $100K and quit.

If I'm going to be making bets above the posted limits of a normal casino, like if I was in the high roller room, I'd need a line of credit of about $2 million to be following my progressions to an $80K bet at the 10 in a row win mark. My play doesn't demand I need a LOC at all to bet that high though, it's just a casino rule to keep the bets lower unless backed by a LOC?
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May 2nd, 2020 at 11:40:25 AM permalink
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Here’s the thing with not wanting a definition of random. What I just said is valid. If you had a legal definition of random I couldn’t just ramble away nonsense.


Supply your own "legal" definition that goes further than "cards are randomly intermixed"....
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May 2nd, 2020 at 12:15:17 PM permalink
Shuffle co. wouldn't need to tell any casino person such a feature. When salesmen come to our office they usually give some other theoretical reason why we will save money if we switch to a more expensive hand pump bleach, floor soap packets, or Point of sale.

I can imagine a saleman telling the supervisor to try out the machines and see how much profit increases. Once, they see a profit increase, no one will need to know if such a feature exists.
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May 2nd, 2020 at 12:17:22 PM permalink
Many shuffler machines have an optical ID capability that identifies the rank and suit of each card that comes in and/or is dealt. And in some live-action poker games, the cards have an RFID chip that allows them to be identified by scanners on the table..

Just as a matter of mathematical fact almost any BJ or poker variant table game can be fixed by controlling the cards of the dealer -it is not necessary to wittingly change the cards of any individual player.

In a game like Miss Stud (where the dealer doesn't have a hand), you need only change one of the three common cards (making it be a 2-5) to massively increase the house edge. The common cards in MSST are delivered from the shuffler as a packet of 3 cards (I believe) which must mean the machine is aware that they are the house cards.

Question for Zcore13: Do you have any knowledge of shuffler machines used in foreign countries? Are they Shufflemaster machines? Do you have any basis for confidence in the integrity of shuffler machines used in Russia? In Chile? In Africa?
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May 2nd, 2020 at 12:22:59 PM permalink
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Shuffle co. wouldn't need to tell any casino person such a feature. When salesmen come to our office they usually give some other theoretical reason why we will save money if we switch to a more expensive hand pump bleach, floor soap packets, or Point of sale.

I can imagine a saleman telling the supervisor to try out the machines and see how much profit increases. Once, they see a profit increase, no one will need to know if such a feature exists.



You're forgetting about the 3rd party certification (GLI most the the time), digital signature and Reguletory verification when machines are received. No shuffler goes from Shufflemaster to floor like you describe without multiple compliance checks between.


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May 2nd, 2020 at 12:26:27 PM permalink
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Question for Zcore13: Do you have any knowledge of shuffler machines used in foreign countries? Are they Shufflemaster machines? Do you have any basis for confidence in the integrity of shuffler machines used in Russia? In Chile? In Africa?



I have no experience with foreign Countries and I do not include them as part of anything I say. I would not trust them, wouldn't play at any of them and do not know anything about their machines or compliance rules.


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May 2nd, 2020 at 12:37:33 PM permalink
I recall the card reader is also used to catch cheaters slipping cards into and out of the shoe. This is plausible deniability.

It would be in the best interests of the casino and shuffle co., if no one including the casino owner knew of this feature.
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May 2nd, 2020 at 1:23:37 PM permalink
I think the R&D would be too expensive or worth the effort for a shuffling co. When they make enough selling the labor savings feature alone.
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